Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/06/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > Looks like Agfa Brovira #6 in straight Dektol!!! > When maybe it would have looked better on #3! no kidding Mark... I actually think it was Oriental Seagull grade 4... > White skies like that is what your teacher will tell you early on is > the > first thing you want to not have happen. and so it's amazing that Paris is the number one tourist destination... > I've heard say black and white photography is mainly a contrast > problem. that's likely true, aside from having something worth photographing... thanks Mark, Steve > > > > > mark@rabinergroup.com > Mark William Rabiner > > > >> From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:39:16 -0700 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>, LEG >> <leica@freelists.org>, LRF >> <leicareflex@freelists.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Paris, again... >> >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Ted Grant wrote: >> >>> Steve Barbour showed and asked: >>> >>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Paris, again... >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Ted Grant wrote: >>> >>>> STEVE SAID: >>> >>>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des >>> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, >>> toward >>> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<< >>> >>>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<<<<<<< >>> >>> Ted offered bluntly: >>> >>>> Straighten it up, as you are a far better photographer than the >>>> presented >>> "tilted" image. And I don't give a flying hoop what others may say. >>> It's >>> either absolutely right or it isn't! And in this case it isn't >>> absolutely >>> right! Fix it! >>> >>> Steve asked: >>> >>>>> just maybe we're talking about two different things Ted, >>> >>> in any case I'm just not, I am not following you my friend...fix >>> what >>> please? <<< >>> >>> Good morning Steve, >>> >>> First things first: The view, the moment, the angle are right on the >>> button. >>> It doesn't get much better than it is! Your logic for taking the >>> picture >>> isn't what I'm trying to point out because that part is as good as >>> it gets. >>> And your reason for making the shot is right on the mark; >>> >>>>> I wanted to capture the vertical lines of the bridge, the pont des >>> arts...leading the eye up river, toward the man and the woman, >>> toward >>> Paris...(and also the sky was so drab)<<< >>> >>> Ted returned with: >>> >>>>> Sorry mate absolutely no excuse. period!<< >>> >>> Now I see why the confusion, sorry, bad writing explanation on my >>> part. :-( >>> Sometimes much easier face to face and quicker than writing. >>> >>> As you pointed out, the sky was drab so I understand your slight >>> tilt down >>> to cut some of the sky in the viewfinder creating the distortion in >>> the >>> buildings right and left sides of the frame. This has nothing to do >>> with the >>> immediate content of man-woman nor moment and positive logic for >>> shooting >>> the photo. >>> >>> It's simply "technical camera handling" and fixing it in the >>> darkroom. >>> >>> This can be corrected by slightly tilting the paper easel upward >>> or on >>> screen software to square the buildings to vertically correct lines >>> before >>> printing. In this case it's so slight it's easily straightened >>> without >>> losing the feel of the moment in the photograph. Or missing it when >>> editing. >>> >>> The other option in this case with the drab sky . "Keep the camera >>> absolutely straight, crop the sky later when making a print or >>> onscreen >>> image. >>> >>> I may sound like an old grouch about what some see as a "nothing >>> hardly >>> noticeable vertical line" in holding the camera straight. But trust >>> me I >>> learned little things like this from some of most hard assed photo >>> editors >>> you could ever shoot for and they made me become a better >>> photographer, as >>> it's the simple things that can slip by when editing our own work. >>> >>> And certainly none of you have ever had Sandy Carter as a photo >>> editor!!! >>> Because she can almost bring you to tears when she makes a point >>> about the >>> tiny things I did wrong. Or I missed by not scanning the internal >>> viewfinder >>> edges for little things sticking into the frame. OR.. Not holding >>> the camera >>> straight. She's awesome when I've made some simple error, savage >>> sometimes. >>> On occasion with a smile, but the tone of voice rattles yer inner >>> bones!! >>> >>> Her response . "What? You don't want to be the best you can be?" OR, >>> "Is >>> this one of your all time best photographs illustrating your photo >>> reputation?" My response? "OK take it out." But we did have some >>> great >>> battles. I always lost! :-) >>> >>> The worst part with her or any excellent photo editor is, when they >>> point >>> out one has missed a tiny little thing and taken the edge off what >>> would be >>> the perfect image! I wont go into the day while on a shoot I didn't >>> use a >>> spot meter after she pointed it out! Then standing at the light >>> table >>> editing later! >>> >>> Steve, hopefully I've presented this correctly this time. If not let >>> me know >>> and I'll phone you later today toward supper time and we can talk. >> >> thank you very much Ted... I understand... >> >> I'm going back to the original file... >> >> >> I will work on it... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> >>> ted >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information