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Subject: [Leica] Lecia Street Photography
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu Jul 17 09:44:48 2008
References: <071720080016.20836.487E8F4C0008D7BE00005164219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF970A9D9F9A0B9D09@mchsi.com> <A6AB61F9-E217-4573-A870-3862ADFE7873@frozenlight.eu>

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> It is a grey area, Gene. French privacy laws are very strict.  
> Basically, even for non-commercial use and even when the person  
> photographed is in a public place, you are not allowed to publish  
> their images (without their consent) if they depict the persons in a  
> delicate situation of some sort (I think the language in the law is  
> more like humiliating). So pictures of people smooching probably  
> fall into a grey area. Recent French case law, as referenced here on  
> the list yesterday, does seem to shift the balance somewhat towards  
> the photographers.



thanks Nathan... do you have access to the French law, in French?


Steve


>
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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>
>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:16 AM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
>
>> Nice set.  What makes them illegal?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@frozenlight.eu>
>>>
>>> Illegal Paris images here:
>>>
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/15.jpg
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2003/2003_30alt4.jpg
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt4.jpg
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt6.jpg
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt8.jpg
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt9.jpg
>>>
>>> I am happy to break French laws every time I am in France. So far  
>>> the
>>> gendarmerie have not come after my web sites...
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Alastair Firkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dodge the trouble, smile and keep shooting: that will be my plan in
>>>> Paris. 3 weeks to capture a brief glimpse of life in 2008. It will
>>>> be fun. I don't expect to upset anyone, but I do believe in street
>>>> photography as a way to record the life we lead.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Alastair
>>>>
>>>> --- eboehmjr@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: "Eric Boehm, Jr" <eboehmjr@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Lecia Street Photography
>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:30:11 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Alastair,
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, a sad state of affairs. My understanding is that in a  
>>>> public
>>>> arena one can photograph people as they are. The resulting  
>>>> photographs
>>>> can be shown in the context of "art" providing they are not
>>>> derogatory. And in my book, providing you do not make money off  
>>>> of the
>>>> print. Salgado's images can seel for 10K a pop. I doubt the subject
>>>> ever recieves anything for the image. Same goes for National
>>>> Geographic. There are no model release forms there either.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Alastair Firkin
>>>> <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:
>>>>> I must make a quick comment. Leica are calling for MASTER IMAGES
>>>>> via the LFI. They want M8 DLUX CLUX images only, to "prove" how
>>>>> good these digital marvels are I suppose. When you read the fine
>>>>> print, you have to have model releases for anyone in the images:
>>>>> Well perhaps the photography the M was good for is now no longer
>>>>> viable. I can't imagine traveling in India and having to get
>>>>> someone to sign a release.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to Paris in September for 3 weeks: one of my aims is to
>>>>> make some street images, but in France the rules are even stricter
>>>>> I believe. Certainly 60% of HCB's work would not pass the Leica
>>>>> Master image requirements. For children you would have to track
>>>>> down the legal guardians. It seems a bit depressing to use the M  
>>>>> to
>>>>> take only animals, vegetables and minerals, and I suppose body
>>>>> parts which cannot be identified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Alastair
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Assistant Professor, Microbiology
>>>> Department of Biological Sciences
>>>> Kean University, 1000 Morris Ave.
>>>> Union, NJ 07083
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