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Subject: [Leica] The KKK: Kaiserliche und Koenigliche Kaffeklatsch
From: stasys1 at cox.net (Stasys Petravicius)
Date: Thu Sep 18 07:15:26 2008
References: <C4F6EE56.3626%manolito@videotron.ca> <A7481BC1-13AC-4076-84F4-90FBD4CE7490@pix-that-stimulate.com> <200809172213.m8HMDYDQ038554@server1.waverley.reid.org> <48D1A32C.5020903@san.rr.com>

Jerry- I smiled after reading this. Stasys
On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Jerry Lehrer wrote:

> Marc,
>
> Just because a statement is insulting and a stupid remark does not 
> make it less true. I remember what my wifes father called me
> after I married his daughter and before he disinherited her.  The 
> words were insulting,, stupid and true!
>
> Jerry
>
>
> Marc James Small wrote:
>> At 05:33 PM 9/17/2008, Tarek Charara wrote:
>> >Wow. That's a) insulting and b) a very stupid remark
>> >
>> >
>> >Le 17 sept. 08 ? 23:26, EPL a ?crit :
>> >
>> >> Germany = Racism R Us.
>>
>> Hmm.  Germans are particularists to a fault -- those in Pomerania 
>> look down on those from Bavaria, and all Germans seem to sneer at 
>> "those crazy Swabians", the Newfies of the Fatherland.  But trying to 
>> assign to the Germans a special state of  disfavor for "racism" is 
>> just silly.  The French are equally silly on such points as are the 
>> Russians and the British seem to viscerally believe that "wogs begin 
>> at Calais".
>>
>> I agree that Lee has probably had a shitload of culture shock to 
>> accommodate -- US management has trouble getting past the serving of 
>> beer in lunchrooms.  And I suspect some of his subordinates probably 
>> do have a bias against him because of his origin but, I suspect, this 
>> might perhaps be more due to his USian roots than his Oriental 
>> genetic background.  The Germans and Chinese had an extremely close 
>> relationship in the Interwar period, after all, and many German 
>> firms, from Mauser to Leitz to Zeiss Ikon, marketed there 
>> extensively.  To be fair, it did take Zeiss more than twenty years to 
>> find an Oriental capable of serving as a final inspector in the 
>> "Round-Eye Room" at the Contax SLR lensworks in Kyoto, and he was a 
>> Chinese national from Hong Kong.
>>
>> The accusation that the Germans are racist is neither stupid nor dumb 
>> but it is a meaningless statement as it ignores the reality that most 
>> of us are racists and most of us live in racist nations.  So what?  
>> Don't wait for others to do it but think for yourself.  Shucks, I 
>> will admit to having some German friends (though I rarely repeat this 
>> in polite company) and, on several occasions, contrary to my Highland 
>> roots, I've even had actual ENGLISHMEN and ENGLISHWOMEN -- folks from 
>> the southern part of Britain, mind you, REAL Anglo-Saxons -- SLEEP 
>> UNDER MY ROOF!  If I can rise to this, surely an occasional German 
>> can rise above particularism and, perhaps, there will come a day when 
>> a Parisian acknowledges that France includes Languedoc.
>>
>> For that matter, to most of those who live in the Western Hemisphere, 
>> we in the US and Canada are either "Nordamericanos" or "Anglos".  Go 
>> figure.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>
>
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