Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/19

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Subject: [Leica] Leica S R - a few marketing and pricing strategy insights
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Sun Oct 19 21:14:52 2008
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I support Leica and respect Dr Kaufmann's ability, commitment and enormous
investment in Leica's future.
Leica have said that there will be an R10 after the S system and that the
market expects it to be AF.
I agree with Douglas that the development and technology of the S2 system is
likely to benefit future Leica camera models.
The sensor technology and AF system would seem to be obvious candidates. 

Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Frank Filippone
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 13:29
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica S R - a few marketing and pricing strategy
insights

I hate to burst your bubble, but  the S2 volume will me miniscule.  The R10
volume can be significant.  To say that the S2 technology, when migrated to
the R10 will save Leica money, is like saying that building the Tesla car
and migrating the volume to the Prius will save money... the tail is wagging
the dog.   The volume is in the R10.  The S2 may be the technology
developer, but the R10 is the financial leader.

I disagree with the word .. courageous..... I have other, less palatable
names for the decision.

The R10 will have no relationship in pricing to the R9.  It will be
significantly more than $5K. ( if the M8.2 is $6300, then the "improved" and
"more complex" R10 will be higher.)  I am betting $8K, or more.  It
certainly will put a kaboosh on any dream I have of purchasing one......

Perspective: And that is 1/2 the price of a S2 !

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net


The S2 was a courageous decision and lays a hell of a lot of groundwork for
the Leicas to come - whatever the system or format - they are now teamed up
with the best sensor and processor providers and have gathered their own
experience the hard way, without buying in existing technology. What's left
is to stay ahead of the game and widen their customer base with products
that convince or persuade new and existing customers alike.


It would be absolutely stupid (perhaps commercial suicide) to put any new R
camera in a price bracket far above the R9, and I doubt very much that this
will be the case - because they already know who you are, what you earn and
how much you are prepared to spend.

The development and technology costs for electronics, sensor, processor and
all the peripheral bits and bobs have already been covered by the S2, now
"all" they have to do is put most of it into a smaller body. 
Common components/technologies mean improved cost-effectiveness. And they
already know what it has to cost on the market.

Cheers
Douglas





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