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Subject: [Leica] euro vs dollar and leica
From: stasys1 at cox.net (Stasys Petravicius)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:21:04 2008
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Sonny- for $4500 you can buy a lot of lead acid batteries or gallons of  
gasoline! Stasys
On Oct 27, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:

>  According to a Toyota service rep. about $4,500.  However:
>  Toyota Prius Frequently Asked Questions Click on a question to jump  
> to the
> answer
>
>
>
>> What is a hybrid  
>> vehicle?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q1>
>> Do I need to plug the Prius  
>> in?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q2>
>> What Petrol do I use in the  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q3>
>> What fuel economy can I expect from the  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q4>
>> How does the Prius perform and handle compared to conventional  
>> vehicles?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q5>
>> Is the Prius available in a manual  
>> transmission?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q6>
>> Can the Prius run on electricity when it runs out of  
>> petrol?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q7>
>> How does the Prius compare to conventional cars with respect to safety
> features? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q8>
>> Who can service my Prius and how often does it need to be  
>> done?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q9>
>> Who can do repair work if something were to go wrong with my  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q10>
>> How long will the Prius  
>> last?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q11>
>> How long does the battery last in the Prius, and how much will it  
>> cost to
> replace? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q12>
>> Can I tow with the  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q13>
>> Do the back seats fold down in the  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q14>
>> Can the Prius be  
>> jump-started?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q15>
>> How can I be sure the mileage is genuine on the cars you are  
>> selling?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q16>
>> Does the price on your cars include a warranty and on-road  
>> costs?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q17>
>
>> Can I trade in my non-hybrid car on a hybrid car at *The Clean Green  
>> Car
> Company*? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q24>
>
>> Are English language owner's manuals available for the  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q23>
>> What are LEVs, ULEVs, SULEVs and  
>> AT-PZEVs?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q18>
>> What is the emissions rating of  
>> Prius?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q19>
>> I don't live in Auckland; can I buy a car from you and if so what is  
>> the
> process? <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q20>
>> What's the difference between Toyota's and Honda's Hybrid  
>> Systems?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q21>
>> What is the downside of owning a Hybrid  
>> car?<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#Q22>
>
>
> What is a hybrid vehicle?
>
> A hybrid car combines a petrol-powered engine with an electric motor to
> provide improved fuel economy and help lower emissions. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> Do I need to plug the Prius in?
>
> Never. The Prius automatically recharges its batteries using  
> regenerative
> braking, or by running the on-board generator. The driver never needs  
> to
> worry about recharging the battery. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> What Petrol do I use in the Prius?
>
> The Prius runs better on the cheaper 91 octane unleaded. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> What fuel economy can I expect from the Prius?
>
> You can expect to easily achieve 5ltr/100km (20km/ltr or  
> 56miles/gallon)
> although most of our customers seem to achieve even better results  
> than this
> with some achieving as low as 4.4ltr/100km (22.7km/ltr or  
> 64miles/gallon)
> over a great distance.
>
>
> Typically you can expect between 4.7 and 5.2 litre per 100km depending  
> on
> how you drive. [back to  
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> How does the Prius perform and handle compared to conventional  
> vehicles?
>
> The Toyota Prius feels and drives like a normal automatic car with the
> exception that when idling and driving at low speeds, the petrol  
> engine cuts
> out, in favour of the electric motor. It is also quieter and smoother
> overall than you average car. Although the Toyota Prius Hybrid only  
> has a
> 1500cc petrol engine when combined with the power of the electric  
> motor it
> feels more like a 2.4 litre car to drive. Basically the Toyota Prius
> performs just the same as an equivalent sized non-hybrid car - it  
> achieves
> its fantastic fuel economy with no compromise in performance. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> Is Prius available in a manual transmission?
>
> No. The Prius doesn't use any kind of transmission found in a  
> conventional
> non-hybrid car. In fact there is no step gear transmission in the  
> Prius - it
> only has one gear ratio. Instead, in the Prius, all the torque is  
> provided
> by the electric motors. However for the end user it is just the same  
> as any
> other automatic car to drive.  [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> Can Prius run on electricity when it runs out of petrol?
>
> No. Although the Prius can operate in electric-only mode when petrol  
> is in
> the tank, it is not designed to run without petrol. Doing so could  
> cause
> damage to the hybrid system, so, like any other car, drivers should be  
> sure
> to keep petrol in the tank of their Prius at all times. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> How does Prius compare to conventional cars with respect to safety  
> features?
>
> The Prius is equipped with many advanced safety features. The Prius  
> helps
> avoid accidents altogether with a standard Anti-lock Brake System  
> (ABS). In
> an accident, its strong mono-form shape, front & rear crumple zones,  
> side
> intrusion bars and driver & front passenger multi-stage airbags help  
> shield
> its occupants from harm. The battery pack is sealed and has built-in
> security measures that completely isolate it from the rest of the car  
> to
> prevent any chance of shock in the case of an accident. The Toyota  
> Prius
> Generation II (2000 - 2003) has an NCAP (New Car Assessment Program)  
> rating
> of 4 stars. This is the highest rating given to a car of its design  
> year.
> The Toyota Prius Generation III (2003 onwards) has an NCAP rating of 5
> stars, the highest rating available.  [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> Who can service my Prius and how often does it need to be done?
>
> Any reputable mechanical workshop can do the standard servicing  
> because the
> Prius' service requirements are the same as any non-hybrid car meaning
> it only needs an oil and filter change every 15,000km or one year,  
> which
> ever comes first. The battery pack doesn't require any service, in the  
> same
> way that you don't service the battery in your cell phone and the  
> electric
> motor doesn't require any service, in the same way you don't service  
> the
> electric motor in your washing machine. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> Who can do repair work if something were to go wrong with my Prius?
>
> In the unlikely event of any problems with your Toyota Prius *The Clean
> Green Car Company* can put you in touch with any one of the 120  
> independent
> workshops nation wide or a Toyota franchise service centre that have  
> Prius
> diagnostic equipment.
>
> [back to top <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>]
>
>
> How long will the Prius last?
>
> The Toyota Prius is designed to be as durable as any other Toyota,  
> which
> considering Toyota's reputation, is a pretty long time. [back to
> top<http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>
> ]
>
>
> How long does the battery last in the Prius, and how much will it cost  
> to
> replace?
>
> The Prius battery is designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle and
> considering that the Prius is designed to be as durable as any other  
> Toyota,
> and considering Toyota's reputation, that is a pretty long time.  
> Toyota have
> lab data showing the Prius battery can do 290,000km of normal driving  
> with
> absolutely no degradation of the battery's performance. To give some  
> real
> life examples, there is a Taxi driver from British Columbia, Jatinder
> Parhar, who has done over 410,000km in his Prius Taxi and has had to do
> nothing to his Prius other than standard servicing. (*click to read  
> more
> here*) <http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Toyota_Prius.htm#hybridtaxi>.  
> Toyota
> has sold over 500,000 Generation II and III Prius worldwide and say  
> they
> have never had to supply a battery pack for replacement due to wear and
> tear. (*click here to read Toyota Press
> release*).<http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View? 
> id=TYT2004062345528>Given
> all this, the price of a replacement battery is probably irrelevant,
> however in the extremely unlikely event you needed to replace the  
> battery in
> your Prius, current cost, at time of writing (Feb 2008), is NZ$4500.00  
> for a
> Generation II Prius and NZ$3150 for a Generation III Prius. However  
> this is
> coming down all the time. When we first looked into this at 3 years  
> ago the
> battery packs were priced at $7000 each. We believe the price will  
> fall to
> around $2000 within a year or so given the increased production of  
> Hybrid
> Vehicles using this type of battery. For piece of mind every Toyota  
> Prius
> brought from The Clean Green Car Company is covered by a 2 year,  
> unlimited
> km Hybrid Car Warranty that includes cover for the battery pack. [back  
> to
> top <http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/faq-prius#top>]
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stasys Petravicius <stasys1@cox.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Henning- Common sense is a rare commodity these days. We drove  
>> Mercedes
>> diesels from 1971 to about 1990. Averaged about 27 mpg no matter how  
>> you
>> drove them. In 1971 diesel was $0.27 per gallon- so it was $0.01 per  
>> mile
>> for fuel. Now it's a big multiple of that. My most efficient car gets  
>> about
>> 18 in town and 25 on the road. No progress in my stable of cars. What  
>> is the
>> cost to change the battery pack in a Toyota Prius? Stasys
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:
>>
>>  At 4:21 PM -0400 10/27/08, Charles Hehl wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just purchased a new GMC diesel truck and it requires ultra low  
>>>> sulfur
>>>> diesel fuel as it is designed to meet the 2010 EPA standards for  
>>>> pollutants.
>>>> I also understand that most states now only sell the ultra low  
>>>> sulfur diesel
>>>> fuel and that it takes a bit more refining to make...hence the  
>>>> higher price.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie Hehl
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's the fuel that's been available in Europe for 10 years or  
>>> more, and
>>> why we in North America are only now getting the better diesel  
>>> engined
>>> European cars.
>>>
>>> About 2000 I asked a VW dealer here why we didn't get the more  
>>> interesting
>>> diesel cars, and he said that:
>>>
>>> 1. No one wanted diesels and he wouldn't be able to sell them
>>>
>>> 2. They (the oil companies) couldn't make that kind of fuel here and
>>>
>>> 3. The hybrids have a lot better fuel consumption numbers
>>>
>>>
>>> All of these are only partially true, because
>>>
>>> 1. No salesmen could sell them because they didn't have any to sell
>>>
>>> 2. The oil companies had other priorities
>>>
>>> 3. Hybrids and diesel powered cars excel at different types of  
>>> driving,
>>> but hybrids tend to be more expensive up front, and rarely repay the
>>> increased capital cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> So bring on the better diesel cars!
>>>
>>> VW still doesn't get it; they will now offer one car, the Jetta,  
>>> with a
>>> diesel engine that gives the worst consumption/performance  
>>> combination of
>>> those they offer in Europe. Go figure.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>   *            Henning J. Wulff
>>>  /|\      Wulff Photography & Design
>>>  /###\   mailto:henningw@archiphoto.com
>>>  |[ ]|     http://www.archiphoto.com
>>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> USA
>
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