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Subject: [Leica] Week 15 Boring Dutch landscapes
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Mon Nov 10 02:10:07 2008
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Phillippe, Moin ut Neddersachsen

as far as I know, there is a language known as Standard Dutch (SD) that 
is spoken throughout the Netherlands. The greatest dialect differences 
are in the south (Brabant) and in the north where there is a strong 
dialect AND Friesian, which is accepted as being a language in itself, 
and is also spoken on both sides of the German/Dutch border regions. The 
language in Ostfriesland, a variant of Plattdeutsch, is more or less 
similar to true German, but does have so many unique grammatical and 
linguistic elements that it is actually considered to be a language and 
not simply a dialect. Other areas of Northern Germany speak dialects of 
Plattdeutsch (Plattduits or Nedersaksisch) as well as dialects of 
Hochdeutsch. For example in Schleswig-Holstein, parts of Mecklenburg 
Vorpommern or the Calenberger Platt spoken in the region between 
Hannover and Hildesheim. There are roots going back to Low Saxon that 
explain many similarities between English words, such as sister/suester, 
and plattdeutsch

The German expression for double-Dutch is 'welsh' or kauderwelsh' but 
probably has more to do with the Swiss province of Wallis than the 
member country of the United Kingdom, or perhaps even 
Wallachia/Moldavia. Apparently the expression welsh is Germanic in 
origin and simply means foreign.

BTW, It's amusing if you translate Barack Obama's future place of work 
(the White House) into Plattdeutsch: It would be 'Obama sin Laden' :-)


Douglas

Philippe AMARD wrote:
> So apparently is quite recent and has nothing to do whatsoever with 
> invasions or the Tudor period dams.
> I knew about high and low (nether) languages, just like you also have 
> "hoch Deutch" (and not Dutch)
> I think Voltaire refers to them too.
> Anyone knows if there is still a difference in the country or is the 
> laguage now one?
> Thanks for the interesting link Douglas.
> You're a wonderful linguistic resource by yourself. :-)
> Philippe
>
>
>
> Douglas Sharp wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Brits had something against them :-)
>>
>> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/119250.html
>>
>> Cheers
>> Douglas
>>
>> Philippe AMARD wrote:
>>
>>> Is that the source of "Double-Dutch" meaning gobbledyhook?
>>> phx
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob W wrote:
>>>
>>>> No - I'm thinking about much later than that. Dutch people were 
>>>> brought over to
>>>> help drain the Fens. Flemish people came as refugees in the Tudor 
>>>> period. There
>>>> have been connections between the 2 countries for centuries and the 
>>>> Dutch
>>>> influence on parts of Southern and Eastern England is very clear.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org 
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Robert Meier
>>>>> Sent: 10 November 2008 01:33
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Week 15 Boring Dutch landscapes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By the Dutch?   You must mean the Danes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aelbert Cuyp himself! I love Dutch landscape painting.     
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many 
>>>>>> very flat parts of England which at one time were settled by the 
>>>>>> Dutch. I love the big sky you get. The square format is perfect 
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org]       
>>>>>>
>>>>> On Behalf 
>>>>>>> Of Michiel Fokkema@wanadoo.nl
>>>>>>> Sent: 09 November 2008 19:13
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group; Opi en Omi; Pake en Beppe; 
>>>>>>> petrarehorst@live.nl; Bruce; Marcos Semola
>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Week 15 Boring Dutch landscapes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Week 15 is here:
>>>>>>> http://michielfokkema.wordpress.com/picture-a-week-2008/week-15/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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