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Subject: [Leica] Plagiarism vs. Derivation (re. Prince/Abell)
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Fri Nov 28 19:16:19 2008
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He gets away with it because people buy it....
Cheers
Jayanand

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> Peter Klein wrote:
>
> >In George's "devil's advocate" post, "A Photo Editor" proposed in his blog
> >that if Richard Prince can't get away with copying Sam Abell's photo--in
> >its entirety, and claiming it as a new work--then none of us can
> photograph
> >anything containing any other image or logo.  In other words, unless we
> >allow blunt-force plagiarism, no derivations are possible.
> >
> >Sorry, that's absurd.  Again, it comes down to that "new matter" phrase I
> >mentioned in a previous post. It's the difference between a simple copy,
> >and using something as an element in a larger work.  Consider this photo
> of
> >mine:
> >http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/currentpics/Spyglass.htm<http://users.2alpha.com/%7Epklein/currentpics/Spyglass.htm>
> >
> >Clearly, I've used another photograph as an element of the piece.  The
> >advertisement on the left is part of a big poster for a new condos that
> >were being built on the street. It's on a high ridge that has good views
> >both east and west.  To the left, out of view of the crop, is a mirror
> >image of what you see.  Here's the original scene before cropping:
> >http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/temp/L1003004OrigView.jpg<http://users.2alpha.com/%7Epklein/temp/L1003004OrigView.jpg>
> >
> >The ad says: "You have mountain view in two directions from this building,
> >wouldn't you just love to live here?."  My picture, which uses only half
> >the ad, says something entirely different--"Big Sister is watching you." I
> >believe I created a whimsical juxtaposition that was also a wry comment on
> >life post-9/11.  So there is substantial "new matter" in my photo.
> >
> >I wouldn't dream of simply copying the original advertisement and passing
> >it off as my own. But of course, Richard Prince is a Great Artist, and I'm
> not.
>
> I suppose Richard Prince can get away with is because he's boldly defining
> a new kind of art: Plagiarism Art.  If this is what it takes to be an 
> Artist
> I'm very happy to be something else.
>
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>
>
>
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