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Subject: [Leica] un-believable
From: simon.apekop at gmail.com (simon jessurun)
Date: Sat Dec 20 05:24:27 2008
References: <23a0a61f0812200042s66d6d581vaa13994cda38374f@mail.gmail.com> <C5721C1E.46C6F%mark@rabinergroup.com>

What's MWR?
simon

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I've not had a problem with auto focusing and wide angles.
> Its not like there's not a lot of leeway.
> Mine have worked perfectly. Sometimes I override. But usually the AF works
> better than MWR.
>
>
>
> mark@rabinergroup.com
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
> > From: simon jessurun <simon.apekop@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:42:05 +0100
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] un-believable
> >
> > Quite true Mark.
> > Nathan nothing wrong with Canon wide angles just with (canon) autofocus
> and
> > wide angles .Autofocus hardly ever gets it right with wide angles.
> > Find it totally useless as well and use Merklingers infinity focussing
> > method.Then the results are quite good.Here is a image of a Canon zoom
> lens
> > image not the top of the bill but quite adequate imho
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/animal/canon/B_001.jpg.html
> >
> > best,simon
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Talking about the "quality" of the M8 sensor against the "quality" of
> the
> >> sensors most serious amateurs and pros are using is a blurring of a
> >> simplification of the issue.
> >> Like talking about the "Quality" of a film Hasselblad over a Canon
> camera.
> >> Or the "Quality" of a Nikon over an Olympus FT.
> >> "Quality" has surprisingly little to do with it.
> >> Its real estate. And not location location location but:
> >> Size of the plot. Acreage. Square feet. Square yards. Meter.
> >> FORMAT.
> >> The build of the camera has little to do with it.
> >> The wonderfulness of how flat it holds the film....
> >>
> >> A cheap termite ridden 4x5 will give a way superior image over roll film
> >> every time... With a fungus ridden optic on it. It doesn't even have to
> try
> >> very hard.  Tap dance on your wet negs on your darkroom floor. Its hard
> to
> >> mess of the brilliant superiority of sheet film.
> >>
> >> The M8 is a half frame camera. Digital. But half frame
> >> The rest of the serious shooting world has moved up to full 24x36 frame.
> >> The sensor can be really great which I'm sure it is but its not going to
> go
> >> up against a sensor twice its length across.
> >> It's not going to go up against a HALF ASSED sensor twice its length
> >> across.
> >>
> >> In another time warp dimension What if Barnack decided not to go "double
> >> frame" which was what 24x36 was then called then but was intractable in
> the
> >> ongoing working movie film frame size at the time called "single frame"
> or
> >> 18x24????
> >> We'd not be talking about Barnack at this point because no one would
> have
> >> heard of him and this would be the Leica historic list not the Leica
> users
> >> list..
> >> Leica would have been quickly eclipsed by Nikon and Canon and Pentax in
> the
> >> 30's and it would be a distant memory of a microscope company who made
> real
> >> high quality half frame cameras in the 20's then went under in the 30's
> >> depression.
> >> And that's what could happen now.
> >> With the S2 aimed squarely at one out of 100 thousand pros and serious
> >> amateurs who have a decimal point less cash to blow on gear than is the
> >> price point of the S2.
> >> 20,000 big E's.
> >>
> >> What does Leica have which is going to go up against a Nikon D3, D3x or
> >> D700
> >> with a 14-24 2.8 ultra wide zoom on it
> >> or a Canon full frame with their ultra wide zoom on it? ......
> >> .... A Zoom Super Wide Angle EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM AutoFocus Lens?
> >>
> >>
> >> (whatever Canon has which is going to go up against Nikons 14-24 2.8
> you're
> >> going to have to tune in next week for. As that's how long it will take
> >> Canon to reply to the Nikon challenge. NOT the end of next summer)
> >> Days not seasons.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark@rabinergroup.com
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3@mac.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:24:41 -0600
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] un-believable
> >>>
> >>> I'll take the fine detail and dynamic range
> >>> over
> >>> the high ISO auto noise reduction
> >>> every time
> >>>
> >>> Would I like ISO 64,000 with no noise
> >>> AND the M8 detail and dynamic range
> >>> You bet. Maybe someday I'll have it.
> >>>
> >>> For now. Simply love the M8 and the photographs it produces.
> >>>
> >>> Fond regards,
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>> george@imagist.com
> >>> http://www.imagist.com
> >>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> The M8 has been out since 2006. So has the D80. Each camera has 10.1
> >>>>> megapixels, decent noise per ISO, but the price was very different.
> >>>
> >>>
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