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Subject: [Leica] Paypal and Postal Insurance Question
From: alal at duke.poly.edu (A. Lal)
Date: Sun Jan 11 22:47:49 2009
References: <63AD99922EEB45AF8D293816D1E89AE5@xyw><4AEC2789-8F6F-46C5-9FF1-533FD50767AC@frozenlight.eu><C7114AC6FD2D43D28952E735A54F75B6@xyw><7B3F0080-D4BB-40A6-8256-17E165EA6537@usjet.net><7D33D99A461E4543B4E5F354D45D9BD1@xyw> <15C7C138-4ABC-4DEA-A007-763759904E23@frozenlight.eu>

But the point is that the buyer has waived insurance. This means he is 
willing to take the risk of loss or damage. Why should paypal think 
otherwise? In any case, I do not want to put this to the test!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo@frozenlight.eu>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Paypal and Postal Insurance Question


>I really doubt that Paypal would come down on the sender's side. Much  more 
>likely is that they would send you to the carrier you used and  tell you 
>that you have to file a claim with them. I find it hard to  imagine that a 
>company like Paypal would be prepared to assume  liability for a mishap in 
>another company's system (USPS, UPS, Fedex  etc.).
>
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
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>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:31 AM, A. Lal wrote:
>
>> I expect they should, but I do not want to be the test case!!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" <robertmeier@usjet.net
>> >
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, 11 January, 2009 11:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Paypal and Postal Insurance Question
>>
>>
>>> I 'm pretty sure that with that proof, Paypal would come down on  your 
>>> side.
>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:57 AM, A. Lal wrote:
>>>> Nathan,
>>>>
>>>> I am certain paypal would not care if the goods were lost or   damaged 
>>>> by the shipper.
>>>>
>>>> The question I have is this: if the goods are lost, will paypal,   upon 
>>>> receiving the buyers complaint, charge back from my account   the 
>>>> amount that was paid, even though I have proof that the goods   were 
>>>> actually mailed and the buyer did not want insurance?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Akhil
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" 
>>>> <photo@frozenlight.eu
>>>> >
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 11 January, 2009 1:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Paypal and Postal Insurance Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Akhil,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it should raise a red flag. You should not do business   with 
>>>>> someone if you have a strange feeling about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And BTW, I am sure that Paypal would assume no responsibility  for 
>>>>> goods lost or damaged by a third party such as the Post  Office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, A. Lal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is paypal's policy on refunds for shipments damaged or  lost  in 
>>>>>> transit for which proof of mailing exists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to clarify, a prospective buyer of one of the lenses I 
>>>>>> advertised, not a lugger, thought that 16 odd dollars was too   much 
>>>>>> money to ship a lens across the country, even if it   included 
>>>>>> signature confirmation, insurance, and first-class   postage with 
>>>>>> plenty of padding in the box. He wants to save a   few pennies (no, I 
>>>>>> don't know why)  and wants the lens shipped   without insurance. I 
>>>>>> have no problem with this as long as  paypal  does not debit my 
>>>>>> account for a lens that goes missing  through  no fault of my own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this were an old fashioned transaction via cheque  or money 
>>>>>> order  I would go ahead, but with paypal involved, I believe it   is 
>>>>>> best to  be cautious and seek advice from this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments are appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, in many years of buying and selling on the web, this is  the 
>>>>>> first time a buyer has actually requested a no-insurance  shipment 
>>>>>> in  order to save a few dollars. Perhaps this should  raise a red 
>>>>>> flag?  Of course, I can just cover the cost of  insurance myself, 
>>>>>> but the  whole thing sounded a bit strange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Akhil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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