Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/04/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Wow, you're really ill aren't you ? I mean this was an email you sent to me personally but I think it should be shared. So let's see I asked for pictures of poor American children to be included in the set so that the portfolio wasn't a parody of photojournalism and wow did you get it wrong. Just for the record, I was also disabled when I was a photojournalist and I never claimed benefits, nor wanted to as I don't believe in the welfare state. What do I know about suffering ? quite a lot, but that was nothing to do with the pictures. Anger management, political correctness and picking a fight, take a look in the mirror baby. photo.forrest at earthlink.net wrote: > Oh really? While your experience may have significance to you, your > perpetuation of your bourgeois segregation through political correctness > makes it moot. So you're disabled and get no benefits, hence your anger. I > say "so what?" Why must you come to pick a fight in this forum? Your > comments are negative and you offer nothing to the discussion besides > argument to glorify your sad sack past. What do you know about suffering? > When I was 9 I asked for heat on Christmas. I have seen the absolute worst > that mankind can do to itself in war and I documented it visually. You > have some superinflated superiorty complex and perhaps an anger management > issue which you should learn to control. You are entitled to your opinion > but your words are rude. You are searching for an agenda in a collection > of photos not meant for adult consumption. Would you have me "teach" an > elementary school student about white phosphorous by showing them the > carbonized remains of "children like them?" This approach o > f yours is filled with anger and is irresponsible. I feel truly sorry for > your own children as I can only imagine what horrors you may have shown > them in their tenderest years. > Phil Forrest > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Philip Clarke <nod at bouncing.org> > Subj: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Children of the World > Date: Thu 16 Apr 2009 9:09 am > Size: 3K > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > I personally find it more offensive that you would dismiss a serious > point with such a fatuous facetious remark. I find it more offensive > that you would condone the dismissal of other nations as being backwards > and perpetuate the myths that other countries are only to be thought of > as charities, to your children. So tell me about manners then, tell me > when questioning the appropriateness of a subject matter for children is > impolite, yet to reduce the children and their mother countries to > objects of pity is not ? (That's a rhetorical question because I am > being impolite when I suggest that you don't have the intellectual > capacity to issue an intelligent rebuttal). > > photo.forrest at earthlink.net wrote: > >> How about some manners, sir? >> Phil Forrest >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Philip Clarke <nod at bouncing.org> >> Subj: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Children of the World >> Date: Thu 16 Apr 2009 6:31 am >> Size: 2K >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> >> >> >> Tina Manley wrote: >> >> >>> At 10:29 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> In the interests of balance, I expect to see poor USA street kids or >>>> some in a police cell or juvenile detention facility. Maybe you could >>>> tie in the global recession/ credit crunch theme in and have some >>>> American children in vests, after their parents lost their homes and >>>> their shirts. Mexican children being escorted back over the border. >>>> Venezuela and Cuba also appear to be missing as well as the UK. I'd lend >>>> you my children but their mother worked her way out of the Calcutta >>>> slums without charity and their disabled father gets no benefits or >>>> social support, so they're probably not suitable candidates. >>>> >>>> >>> What in the world does all of that mean? I photographed most of these >>> children while working on mission projects in developing countries. >>> I've also worked on mission projects here in the USA and have photos >>> of those, too, which I will include. For these particular talks, I'm >>> telling school children about how children all over the world have >>> more in common than outward appearances would lead you to believe. I >>> tell about the families I've stayed with and the people I've met in 53 >>> countries. I really don't understand what you're objecting to. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> >>> >> The perpetuation of the myth that only the USA (or indeed any "first or >> second" world country) should bring it's charity to the rest of the >> world. The USA should sort out it's own problems first, so for balance I >> expect to see identical photos taken in the West so that the children >> you're showing the pictures too, identify with the homeless people down >> the road as well as in a different country. India has a space program, >> China too (plus the greatest manufacturing ability in the world and >> they're commies), Taiwan has the greatest ability to manufacturer CNC'd >> and Kevlar based items, so instead of seeing a countries strengths the >> pictures highlight the unfortunate,. So if the unfortunate is to be >> relished in for the amusement of children, then the unfortunate side of >> the USA should be given exactly the same position. >> >> The only reason that these pictures are considered "special" is because >> they aren't taken at home so they don't encourage an ability to identify >> on an equal footing, they put down other nation's triumphs, and what is >> worse is that there going to be shown to the next generation. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> --- message truncated --- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > --- message truncated --- > >