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Subject: [Leica] OT flu concerns related
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:47:59 -0700
References: <B6C9EC6F-7C5C-4B0A-A305-BA23B69FF5C2@mac.com> <42C933CD-3137-4F02-9DD0-0570977EF714@cox.net> <EB485C0E-B042-43BD-8BA2-CC3DE1EC0A86@mac.com> <79F109B8-2E25-430F-8C3E-E9806E87660E@cox.net> <3cad89990904271847l4149c5c1k1c4fdedb298188af@mail.gmail.com> <77CCC776-9B72-4C94-9086-CA858B84D96C@cox.net> <3cad89990904272205p77c44d49y25e7f57e12915fd8@mail.gmail.com> <865C70AE-9F4C-4A4B-9BEC-85FF88E170ED@cox.net> <3cad89990904280518u3d788484g7772823a66ea6ad9@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/opinion/28barry.html


Steve


On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> Yet some more practical advice:
>
> http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu-mexico-sars-business-healthcare-flu-hysteria.html?partner=daily_newsletter
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc at cox.net>  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>>> Some more on swine flu:
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2217019/?from=rss
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks, a fine article analyzing the strange inconsistencies in the  
>> data...
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc at cox.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George/Steve,
>>>>> Tell me, is this another Bird Flu where all of 100 people died
>>>>> worldwide in the "epidemic" and everyone wore blue masks on  
>>>>> flights
>>>>> for months out of panic, Singapore would not let people with a  
>>>>> cold
>>>>> enter the country? Its more dangerous to drive a car or cross the
>>>>> road! Media hype whipping up mass hysteria! These sort of  
>>>>> diseases are
>>>>> usually totally localised and minor. I would tell the media to  
>>>>> hype
>>>>> finding a preventive cure for malaria or typhoid or cholera or  
>>>>> similar
>>>>> proven mass killers if they want to help humanity at large.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it is hard to know just yet what this will be Jayanand...  it may  
>>>> be over
>>>> reaction based on early data from Mexico, but infections  
>>>> elsewhere, while
>>>> occurring at a high rate, don't seem especially severe, and the  
>>>> mortality
>>>> rate outside of  Mexico appears far lower than in that country...
>>>>
>>>> curious... !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yet we recall the flu epidemic starting in 1918 when 20-100 million
>>>> people
>>>> died during 2 years....and for various good reasons scientists have
>>>> predicted a severe new flu variant for the past 5-6 years, and  
>>>> have been
>>>> working during that time on a new vaccine as well as containment
>>>> scenarios
>>>> for an expected epidemic....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> let's not be too hasty to draw conclusions about the direction  
>>>> this will
>>>> take...
>>>>
>>>> in any case, something potentially bad is going on here that demnds
>>>> careful
>>>> evaluation and explanation, before we can safely draw conclusions.
>>>>
>>>> to be sure, at this point something about the situation just  
>>>> doesn't
>>>> smell
>>>> right to me, so far it appears to be a very aggressive virus in  
>>>> terms of
>>>> human to human rates of spread, showing apparently  very high
>>>> pathogenicity/& mortality rate in one country, with low  
>>>> pathogenicity
>>>> elsewhere...
>>>>
>>>> various explanations are possible, among them, either something  
>>>> is wrong
>>>> with the data. or the virus has already changed...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Steve Barbour  
>>>>> <kididdoc at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hopefully the discussion will not be about a "full blown  
>>>>>>> pandemic"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is what it is, and that is yet to be seen...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in the meantime the blue masks are clearly the most popular...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for that new sporty look,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:08 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/rpSlideshows?articleId=USRTXECIR#a=35
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks George,  it occurs to me we might discuss all this  
>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> some point,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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