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Subject: [Leica] Looser Framing [was Re: recrop: [WAS Re: BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors]]
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:19:57 -0400
References: <65F08CD7-6EB6-417A-89E8-C102AF485B42@comcast.net> <E188C3A8-A11E-4A29-AB70-FDB099ECCD6C@embarqmail.com> <205549.36295.qm@web111802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6434C01A-AB0B-4597-B7AF-1AD971E79B93@comcast.net> <741512.5028.qm@web111810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <F9203C13-2239-4471-9B79-778F725CCFFB@comcast.net> <CDA95A68-4B90-4FF5-8982-CAAC43A1EDCE@frozenlight.eu>

Yeah, I like the looser framing, too.  It's less powerful but more  
informative.

I have very much taken to heart the advice I've been given over the  
years (right back to Ralph Hattersley, remember him?) to move in  
close, to isolate the subject, and to reduce or eliminate extraneous  
detail.  This does create powerful images.  I also think that it takes  
some of the, oh what word to use, maybe "air" out of the shot.   
Framing more loosely seems to give the subject more breathing room and  
the observers eye more room to wander.  As long as there is nothing  
distracting in the looser frame I think it makes for more interesting  
and informative photos.

To my mind those rocks take the story of the image beyond the  
potential conflict between the big tug and the little sailboat to  
include the fact that this potential conflict is playing out in a very  
constricted arena with consequences that go way beyond a small boat  
being run down by the large tug (as bad as that is).

I see this approach in many of your photos, Nathan, and am going to  
work on pushing mine in that direction, too.

One doesn't need to deliver a sock in the jaw every time out.

Regards,

Dick



On Aug 06, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> I prefer the original version.
>
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> Nathan
>
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> On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>
>> Well, the value of judging in these contests has always been  
>> suspect to me.  It seems to lead to conformity, IMHO.  But that  
>> said, I cropped out the rocks.  The result is here:
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199_crop.jpg.html
>> or
>> http://tinyurl.com/l3ltkf
>>
>> The cropped version certainly emphasizes the anticipated crash, but  
>> to my mind loses the piece of information that they are both in a  
>> very narrow channel.
>>
>> It'd be interesting to hear what others think.  Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Philip Price wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dick, I belong to a photographic society here, ( UK ) and we  
>>> have monthly competitions which are always keenly contested, our  
>>> regular club membership is 70 /80 members. I regularly enter  
>>> prints, with it must be said varying degrees of success ! Over the  
>>> years I have learnt to anticipate what the judge will like or not  
>>> like, believe me some of them can be pretty ferocious with their  
>>> comments ! I do love the drama in your shot but I know the judge  
>>> in a competition would probaly comment on those rocks.
>>>
>>> As an amateur though I listen, and then go out and do the same  
>>> thing again, after all its for my pleasure not some judge who is  
>>> definitely not on my Christmas card list !!!
>>>
>>> Happy snapping Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:29:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate Sailors
>>>
>>> Well, that's interesting.  I had thought that the rocks and  
>>> distant shore added to the drama by emphasizing the narrowness of  
>>> the channel in which all this drama was occurring.
>>>
>>> Thanks for commenting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 05, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Philip Price wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lots of drama, and movement in the shot, just a pity about the  
>>>> rocks in the bottom right forground.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com>
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:56:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BOATING PAD #14 - Why Powerboaters Hate  
>>>> Sailors
>>>>
>>>> ACK
>>>>
>>>> NICE
>>>>
>>>> ric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We almost never race through Woods Hole Passage on the  
>>>>> Weekends.  The powerboat traffic is just too thick and the  
>>>>> current usually too strong..  Three Sundays ago, though, the  
>>>>> wind was too strong to race in the Bay or the Sound.  So, since  
>>>>> the current in the Hole was nearly slack at race time and the  
>>>>> boat traffic was nearly nil, we did, only to run into an  
>>>>> entirely different obstacle:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4199.jpg.html
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/klkd3w
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever practical, we just raced around them.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2009_boating_pad/300_4230.jpg.html
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mycc4q
>>>>>
>>>>> D300, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> C&C fervently desired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>>
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