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Subject: [Leica] Stock Photography
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:01:06 -0700
References: <4ADF0E4A.2010400@comporium.net> <5464C8B2604245D7B2C28B330C67185E@syneticfeba505>

hi Ted,

welcome back...

despite the customary high noise level, this has been a revealing,  
even startling discussion, very educational to many, of the realities  
of stock...

emotional sure, but fascinating, in spite of some predictable  
frustrations,

Steve




On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:46 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> <tedgrant at shaw.ca>  
wrote:

> Howdy crew,
> I have been away and this is my first morning and quite probably the  
> last to looking at this kind of thing on the LUG.
>
> For those of you  who have absolutely no knowledge nor experience or  
> earned income from shooting stock!  GET LOST! If you have absolutely  
> no experience in this manner of photography nor have ever been  
> earning your life income... STILL GET LOST!
>
> To those of us who "EARN OUR LIVELIHOOD " through being  
> photographers and you do not...... GET LOST AGAIN!
>
> Stock Agencies "were good income for thousands of photographers."  
> Today some are like many other greedy total control of the markets  
> paying .40 cents to a photographer while they make the bulk of the  
> income. Real world great economic times. Thanks to the greedy  
> controllers.
>
> The MASTERFILE Agency in Canada have top end stock shooters who make/ 
> made $250,000 and more a year and that's after expenses for casting,  
> travel and whatever costs were involved in producing the material!  
> By the same token they work their butts off producing photography  
> required by agencies and those who want their goods and services  
> advertised. It's not some evil thing, it's not illegal and when one  
> of your photographs happens to be purchased for one time use for  
> $13,500 it kind of makes you smile all the way to the bank! just  
> take a moment and think about that whomever are doing whatever it is  
> about stock!
>
> Not sure what the problem is you guys are having with this topic as  
> I don't have time to go back over two weeks of mail looking for  
> whatever started it. However, be it as it may, it's just wasted air  
> time if you are not directly involved with earning your living  
> shooting stock or selling your images directly from your own office!  
> Like get over it, go out and take some nice pictures!
>
> But as Tina pointed out:
> "> I really don't know why everyone is so negative about stock
>> photography.  It's a way of making a living!  I almost never lease  
>> any
>> photos for commercial use.  99% of mine are leased for editorial  
>> use -
>> usually in textbooks, sometimes in magazines.<<<<<<<<
>
> Yep absolutely correct! And my case I've had "stock" sold for over  
> 45 years if not a few more than that.
>
> Have a nice day!
> cheers,
> Dr.ted
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Manley"  
> <images at comporium.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:36 AM
> Subject: [Leica] Stock Photography
>
>
>> LUG:
>>
>> I really don't know why everyone is so negative about stock
>> photography.  It's a way of making a living!  I almost never lease  
>> any
>> photos for commercial use.  99% of mine are leased for editorial  
>> use -
>> usually in textbooks, sometimes in magazines.  Here is a very typical
>> one that Alamy leased today:
>> *
>> *
>> **ATYA36
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Go to http://www.alamy.com and put that number in the search box to  
>> see
>> the photo.
>> It was leased for one page use in a college textbook for $270.  Alamy
>> leases about 10 to 12 a month of mine for similar use - better than  
>> all
>> of my other stock agencies combined.  I lease others directly in
>> response to requests.  Five years ago the prices were almost double  
>> what
>> we get today but there were also fewer sales.  The internet and  
>> digital
>> photography have changed everything.  I used to have to send in
>> duplicate slides, wait to be approved, and then send the original.
>> Everything is instant today.  Deadlines for requests are seldom more
>> than one or two days from the request.
>>
>> The stock photos that are compared to clip art are usually micro- 
>> stock.
>> Those sell for less than $1 per use and 75% of that goes to the
>> micro-stock agency.  That's a different world that I would never  
>> enter.
>> All of my photos are rights managed, meaning they are leased for
>> one-time use.  Most of them come out of my files, but I'll also go  
>> out
>> and take photos to fill requests.
>>
>> All stock is not evil!
>>
>> Tina
>> www.tinamanley.com
>>
>>
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