Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/01/23

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Subject: [Leica] A non-scientific comparison of the E3 and M8u
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:21:55 -0800
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At 3:07 PM -0800 1/23/10, Richard Man wrote:
>I must have a English comprehension problem.
>
>You do exactly as I do, or I do exactly what you do.
>
>But perhaps my flaw is that I voice an opinion,
>
>that is not popular.
>



Richard, you got upset when I posted what I've seen; if you get 
better shots with your E-3 than with an M8, that's just fine and you 
should definitely keep on using the E-3 for those kinds of shots. 
This is not a contest and while Leica shooters predominate on this 
list most have also shot extensively with other systems so are a lot 
more agnostic re equipment than on most lists.

I haven't used an E-3. The best I can do is compare files from the 
m4/3 cameras I've used and own. There's 3 of them, and the reason I 
have them is that I like the format and can get pictures I like with 
them. I'm likely going to sell the Olympus, but that's not a matter 
of it not delivering quality (in fact, the file quality of the 
Olympus is possibly very slightly better than that of the Panasonics) 
but because of ergonomics. The E-3 has (hopefully) a lot better 
ergonomics.

I know 3 people that I see often that have and use an E-3. Two of 
them also have an EP1. Those two tell me that the file quality of the 
EP1 is possibly slightly better than that of the E-3, which is 
understandable since the EP1 is a newer design. So from that, which 
may be stretching things a bit, I infer that I'm not out of line 
considering the quality of the E-3 files to be close to those of the 
EP-1. So that was my basis. My comments still stand, but they are my 
comments, and I will use whichever camera I a) have with me and b) is 
better suited for the job at hand.

The m4/3 cameras are fantastic with long telephotos, and the G1 with 
400 Telyt is hard to match in any other system (under my shooting 
circumstances). Same for a lot of different macro stuff I like doing.

I'm going on a trip shortly, and I will take both M8 and m4/3. The 
Leica will go with a couple of fast lenses in the medium/medium wide 
range, and the m4/3 in the very wide and very long range. It's a good 
combination and I expect to get good quality images from each.

As I noted before, if I want the best enlargeability and most detail, 
with lots of control and/or dark conditions, I take my full frame 
Canons. I've taken them on trips, but it's a lot to lug around and 
this trip I'm going with family including grandkids and I'll have 
enough to do without lugging extra stuff. So I take cameras that will 
allow me to do the best with the least.

All of this means that I have considered these things carefully, and 
I do as much testing as I have to to know what will work in what 
circumstances. That also allows me to say that (under my shooting 
conditions) the files from an M8 have certain advantages over m4/3 
files. All shot RAW, of course, so minimal in camera processing and 
all cameras profiled.

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    *            Henning J. Wulff
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