Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]My subjects often operate on a time scale that is much shorter than the one most of us are accustomed to. For these subjects the odds of getting the posture/behavior I see varies inversely with the time lag between 'see' and 'click'. Even milliseconds matter. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com Original Message: ----------------- From: Steve Barbour steve.barbour at gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:53:43 -0800 To: lug at leica-users.org Subject: Re: [Leica] M9, lag time, perception and other things On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:33 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > Gary Todoroff offered interesting testimomial. However, are we not talking about two different camera systems? > > One, the M8-9 rangefinder camera with nothing flipping up and down? Compared to an SLR of some kind with flipping mirrors and whatever extra screens that move about? Is that not correct? Different systems? > > My gut feeling is the more things to go click-clack in the night as the shutter is released the greater the opportunity for LAG-TIME to occur? I can understand a lag time occurring. But the M8-9 is camera to eye, quick focus.... click! Done! And if there is a delay I don't doubt these are as much human reactions involved in what the photographer sees and by the time his nervous system creates pressure on finger tip to push click! > > And this with the minds eye re-calling "just the moment" seen compared to the taken image. If one is experiencing this regularly here's a tip how to speed your tripping and nervous system up. > > Stand on the side of a highway and focus on the front of on coming traffic and do this until you can get 36 rams in a row sharply in focus. It works! As it's an old training exercise I have always done for years before going to cover world international sports events as tee Olympics. You will be surprised how much faster you become in "SEE-SHOOT-SHARP!" > > So far with my M8 I have absolutely no sense of so-called milli-second lost moment of what I saw and reacted to faster than I breath and my heart beats. This is why I put as much of the LAG-TIME back on the shoulders of the photographer than blaming the camera. Meaured or otherwise, we humans see and shoot or don't shoot as fast as some of us think we do. > > And this is why over the years I have consistently offered.... "YOU CAN'T THINK AND SHOOT!" Nor can you think and bat in baseball as Yogi Berra offered. There isn't any question, we as humans time measured or otherwise, have different see-shoot nerve systems of re-action time and this little nerve triggering system is what make great sports photographers better than 99% of all others. Their nerve system re-action. > > I trust this is somewhere along the lines of your thoughts and experience. > > But from this side of the screen I can honestly say I have never experienced this phenomena knowingly with an M8 or M9. my impression too Ted, maybe long in absolute micro/milli seconds, but an inconsequential fraction of the time it takes to see, think, click.... I suppose that if the "delay" is below some absolute threshhold, we can't perceive it .... Steve > > cheers, > ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE