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Subject: [Leica] OT Pana GF1 (20 pancake) & Ricoh GRD-III Mark's views now he has a GF1
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:18:16 -0800
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On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Mark Pope wrote:

> Having just taken delivery of a GF1 with 20 Pancake lens, my initial 
> thoughts are that I am going to get along famously with this camera.
> Likes:
> 
> - overall build quality
> 
> - size - not too big, not too small.  Perfect for Goldilocks :-)
> 
> - ergonomics - it didn't take too long to suss out where everything was.  
> Why though does a camera need a 196-page manual (see below...)
> 
> - optical quality - which is what really matters isn't it?  The first few 
> prints that I have made are nice an sharp and the colour rendition is 
> excellent (according to Karin, whose colour vision is much, much better 
> than mine).
> 
> - autofocus - the face-detection and follow-focus features work very well 
> indeed.
> 
> Dislikes:
> 
> - the battery/SD card door feels a bit flimsy.  It spoils an otherwise 
> very nicely made camera.
> 
> - vertical pictures are not auto-rotated when imported to Lightroom.  I 
> subsequently discovered that this feature which is known as the 'direction 
> detection feature', isn't supported with the 20mm pancake lens.  Not a 
> deal-breaker, but as I like to shoot portrait format quite a lot, it's an 
> annoyance.
> 
> - more modes than you can shake a stick at.  I think the camera was dipped 
> in Complicatonite. There are scene modes: 17 of them, plus the usual 
> Program, Aperture priority, Shutter Priority, manual, movie, intelligent 
> auto, two custom modes and one with an artist's pallette, which I have no 
> idea about.  Then there are the flash modes (which I haven't looked at 
> yet).  This little camera is very a la mode!   In short, I think it, like 
> many other cameras of Japanese origin, is too complicated.  Features have 
> been added for three reasons: first because the marketers think it's a 
> good idea, second because the opposition do it and third because they can.
> 
> In terms of physical size, the body is roughly the same size as a Ricoh 
> GR1 (film compact) with the lens retracted.  The 20mm lens is quite a big 
> lens and does add considerably to the bulk of the camera (it's not really  
> pocketable) but the balance is nice.
> 
> For me, the biggest advantage of the GF1 is definitely the 4/3 sensor. 
> I've used it up to ISO 800 and produced some pleasing prints.  Yes, they 
> are noisy, but whether the noise is acceptable is a personal thing.
> 
> Overall, then I think it's a smashing piece of kit.  I haven't tried an 
> optical finder yet: that's on its way thanks to Nathan.
> Is it better than the GRD III?  Probably.  Whilst the Ricoh is now in its 
> third generation, I feel that the small sensor will still be a limiting 
> factor in its overall image quality.  I have heard that Panasonic are due 
> to bring out a 14mm pancake lens



when?  interesting and helpful review Mark, thanks, Steve

> , giving a field of view equivalent to a 28mm.  Now that will be an 
> interesting combination!
> 
> I hope you find this useful.  Pictures to follow, probably when I post my 
> PAW on Friday.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Pope,
> Swindon, Wilts
> UK
> 
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> 
> 
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>> I'm wondering with the recent interest in the Panasonic GF1 with the 20mm 
>> pancake lens and an external optical VF, has any used/compared this to 
>> the Ricoh GRD-III with its 28mm lens and the optional external 
>> viewfinder...
>> I 'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, reactions, comparisons,
>> appreciated,
>> Steve
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