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Subject: [Leica] three questions: C41 b/w film; Mamiya DM22; why no US version of GF1 w 20mm kit?
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:50:32 -0700
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On Mar 29, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:

> Cause back when I was using it I didn't know shit. I still don't know shit
> but I know a little more shit now. If there had been this overwhelming
> universal positive response to the Ilford -- if people said OMG it's the
> Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 pancake of color-process black and white film OMG
> OMG!!!--- then I would have tried it once or twice more to see if I liked 
> it
> any better.


so try both now....


Steve


> 
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Nah you misunderstood: "that's why I'm asking people's opinion's...."
>> about
>>> which one they think is best. The Kodak or the Ilford. Kodak seems to be
>>> winning which was my experience. The Ilford was too low contrast in my
>>> experience.
>> 
>> who cares "what people think", it only matters what you think...
>> 
>> basically...
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
>>> gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I lvoe Tri X but cannot process it myself and find it increasingly
>>>> expensive
>>>>> to have it done. The C41s can be done anywhere by anybody and put on
>>>> disk.
>>>>> That's why I'm asking people's opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> C41bw is terrific for the reasons stated, what's to ask ?...
>>>> 
>>>> it's clear,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/28/2010 12:13 AM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm contemplating C41 b and w film. I've used the Kodak and liked it
>>>>>>> sometimes and not others (dependong on factors I was too ignorant to
>>>> learn
>>>>>>> how to control at the time, I suspect). My impression though was that
>>>>>>> Koday
>>>>>>> was the best of them but I do recollect an Ilford that some people
>>>>>>> liked...
>>>>>>> perhaps it was that 50 ASA of theirs?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyone using C41 and feel knowledgeable and opinionated enough to
>>>> declare
>>>>>>> differences and preferences?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or, here's another question:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I see on B&H site that there's a Mamiya medium format digital camera
>>>> for
>>>>>>> under $10K, called the DM22. Anyone know about it, have an opinon,
>> etc?
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the price it comes with an 80mm lens, which I guess is kind of an
>>>>>>> equivalent
>>>>>>> to normal size lens?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And finally: among you GF1 fanatics out there -- does anyone know why
>>>> you
>>>>>>> can buy the GF! with the 20mm as a kit in Europe but, after a brief
>>>>>>> availablility, not here? (here being the good ole' US of A folks.
>> TGeam
>>>>>>> America. Burn the camera in order to save it. Semper Fi. all that.)_
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Kodak C41 film scans very well, and that is a good thing because
>> it
>>>>>> will not last that long as a film negative.  Plus, you can use digital
>>>> ICE
>>>>>> with the C41 films.  I never had much luck printing either the Kodak
>> or
>>>>>> Ilford C41 films in the darkroom.   That is TriX etc. territory.  If I
>>>> had
>>>>>> to go back to film, I would try Kodak C41 if available and a pro lab
>> to
>>>>>> process.  Remember that if circumstances permit you can bracket ISO's
>>>> with
>>>>>> these films and likely come up with something you will like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ken Carney
>>>>>> Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Replies: Reply from passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro) ([Leica] three questions: C41 b/w film; Mamiya DM22; why no US version of GF1 w 20mm kit?)
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