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Subject: [Leica] M7/MP only 5% of US Leica Sales...
From: konstantin.mihov at googlemail.com (Konstantin Mihov)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:40:37 +0200
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I am with you on this, Henning, Frank and the others who still think that
the M9 is a bit over the top. At the same time I understand the economist
logic  of Vince. The secondary market for the M9 is still very very very
small because there aren't just enough M9s on the market - or because people
are not replacing their M9s yet because there is no M10.

Although I have been contemplating switching to an M9 because of the full
sensor, I have more often find myself convinced that I'd better get a
differnet kind of a body with a full-sensor (e.g. a Canon EOS 5D mark II)
for half the price - with a good lens at that and have two different systems
for the different uses I can make of it. And still enjoy the plethora of
greatness in the M8.

KM
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>wrote:

> To me the decision was: was the M8 worth $5000 when it came out?
>
> It was, to me because the RD-1 did not appeal to me and there was nothing
> else.
>
> When I had the chance to buy a $3500 mint M8, I took the opportunity to buy
> a second body. Great.
>
> The M8.2 had one feature which I was somewhat attracted to (the sapphire
> glass) and was maybel willing to spend $100 for and two retrograde steps, 
> so
> I passed on that.
>
> The M9 has one noticeable advantage over the M8, and that is of course the
> larger sensor which at this point is worth maybe $1500-$2000 to over the 
> M8.
> It is also slightly slower, which really annoys me. Take away $500 of what
> I'm willing to pay.
>
> That's my current accounting, and while I reserve the right to change my
> point of view on this, at the moment the value of an M9 doesn't come close
> to the price premium I would have to pay.
>
> Before I had a day with one, I was considering ordering the camera, and if
> it had been in a store, I might have picked one up. After using it that 
> day,
> I adjusted my perceived value of it. At the same price as an M8, I would
> rather have an M9. At a premium of $4-5000 it's not close.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:08 PM -0700 3/29/10, Richard Man wrote:
>
>> That's the wrong line of thing. Think M9 as $1500 over the price of then
>> new
>> M8.2. Clearly, the improvement from M8.2 -> M9 is worth that much. Nikon
>> D700->D3, Canon 5DII ->IDs all carry higher premium so Leica is doing
>> pretty
>> well there.
>>
>> Now the question is what should a then new M8.2 be $5500?
>>
>> The answer is the new MP and M7 are $4500.... so the $1000 is, once again,
>> not bad.
>>
>> So why should a new M7/MP be $4500?
>>
>> Because they take Leica lens, and if you like rangefinder, what choices
>> are
>> there? (this is a rhetorical question, I know about the Bessa and the
>> ZM...)
>>
>>
>> Right now M9 has a backlog of 3-6 months (!) I suspect a good number will
>> go
>> on the used market in ~2 months.
>>
>> My guess is that by Sept 09, 2010, you can pick up a used M9 for $5500.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at 
>> earthlink.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>>   Absolutely......
>>>
>>>  I do not have, nor wish to spend, $7K on a camera "box".
>>>  If Leica had a FF camera at $4K, I MIGHT be tempted.....
>>>
>>>  Just as an aside, I do not understand the rationale for a $7K
>>> camera.....
>>>  other than the obvious, whatever the market will bear.....
>>>
>>>  Frank Filippone
>>>  red735i at earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don't. The M9 is an improvement on the M8, for sure, but no way will I
>>>  spend the current price on one. When I can get one for the price I paid
>>> for
>>>  my M8, I will consider it.
>>>
>>>  Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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