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Subject: [Leica] Señorita (cropped)
From: passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:37:40 -0400
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OK George, I can go with that. One (i.e., me) rebelled at the idea of
rejecting the first in favor of the second. But peaceful co-existence is
what we should all aim for....

2010/5/11 George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com>

> I agree with Vince's basic premise.
>
> Further I also see the cropped and original versions
> as entirely different photographs.
> They communicate quite different messages;
> so serve different purposes.
>
> The cropped version becomes a candid street portrait;
> and quite a beautiful one. The postcards serve it well.
> I do believe it is every bit as "real" a photograph
> as the much more complex "narrative" original version.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
>
> On May 10, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>
>  Lluis:
>>
>> the original version had a narrative, a story, to be seen in it. The
>> cropped
>> version has a babe. The first is more intelligent and more interesting as
>> a
>> photograph. She is standing, waiting to get something at the newsstand.
>> She
>> has detected the camera (? -- that's how it appears) and she has turned to
>> look with all the calm and all the composure and all the abiding desire to
>> photographed that such a beautiful woman can be relied on to have in her
>> possession.  Thus, in this pose, in these circumstances, she is even more
>> beautiful, by *reacting *as a beautiful woman would react. She has been
>> engaged -- always an electrifying moment with a woman of her caliber.
>>
>> The cropped version, pfff.
>>
>> Cropping is good for animal pictures, and flowers; but humans exist in a
>> more insistent reality, an actual set of circumstances. When Avedon put
>> them
>> before a white drop he made an Avedon out of them but those are still
>> circumstances, still a story: the photographer's story. The crop of this
>> has
>> none of that integrity. And insolubly the back of the man's jacket
>> intrudes.
>> You can't move the line because you'd have to center her, boringly, and
>> include part of the stroller behind her.
>>
>> All in all, go with the original, which is a real photograph. The other is
>> meant for a stock agency or a calendar or a weekly newsmagazine and you
>> are
>> a way better photographer than that.
>>
>> Vince
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/10 Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>
>>  Lluis,
>>>
>>> The cropped image is very nice.  I feel it is a stronger image than
>>> before.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lluis Ripoll Querol" <
>>> lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:02 PM
>>> Subject: [Leica] Se?orita (cropped)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Following Peter and oliver suggestions, here is the image cropped.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cropped:
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2010040314cr.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> or the first version
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2010040314.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?... thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Lluis
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/
>>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll
>>>> Blog:
>>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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