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Subject: [Leica] Re; Barcelona in color - not!
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:58:05 -0500 (CDT)
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Tina,

I don't know about any overall philosophy of B&W vs. Color, but I do  
know that when I go to an exhibit that has both color and B&W prints,  
I virtually always prefer the B&W.  I find that B&W has the potential  
for having a visual and emotional power that color rarely can  
attain.   They really are different media.

Robert

On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> Well, I totally disagree.  I think there is a place and a reason  
> for B&W
> photography today.  I agree with Ted that when you photograph  
> people in
> color, you are photographing their clothes.  When you photograph  
> them in
> B&W, without the distraction of color, you see their faces and eyes  
> - soul,
> if you will.  Unless there is a specific reason for using color, I  
> usually
> prefer B&W.  I have versions of all of these photos in color, but  
> it's the
> B&W ones that move me:
>
> http://tinamanley.smugmug.com/gallery/5885005_Vryn9#367425430_KikRj
>
> <http://tinamanley.smugmug.com/gallery/ 
> 5885005_Vryn9#367425430_KikRj>B&W is
> coming back for use in advertising,  too.  It stands out among all  
> of the
> color snapshots that bombard us constantly.
>
> Tina
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Lawrence Zeitlin  
> <lrzeitlin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> All I asked was why Lluis took so many B&W photos in colorful  
>> Barcelona.
>> Rather than a simple answer to the question, the LUG was treated to a
>> barrage of overpowering assumptions about the merits of B&W. I  
>> apologize if
>> my polemic seems to be mostly directed at Dr. Ted but his response  
>> was the
>> longest, had the most arguments, and was the best target. Sorry,  
>> Dr. Ted.
>>
>>
>> It is amazing how many red herrings B&W advocates have managed to  
>> drag into
>> the discussion of B&W vs. color in photography. Had most LUG  
>> colorphobes
>> been consistent, the herrings would have been gray. As far as the  
>> picture
>> viewing public is concerned, however, there is no contest. Color
>> photography
>> is the runaway winner. Even though film sales have plunged to one  
>> seventh
>> of
>> their volume of ten years ago, color film outsells B&W film by 20  
>> to 1.
>> Preference for B&W or color may be a judgment call but there are  
>> valid
>> reasons why B&W was used in the past and color predominates today.
>>
>>
>> For me, and most of the country's movie audience, the choice  
>> between color
>> and B&W came with the release of "The Wizard of Oz" in 1939. I was  
>> taken to
>> see the film as a birthday present on its local premier in a big  
>> Chicago
>> movie theater. To this day I remember the collective gasp of the  
>> audience
>> when Dorothy stepped out of her B&W Kansas home into the  
>> Technicolor land
>> of
>> Oz. In 1947, only 12 percent of Hollywood films were made in  
>> color. By
>> 1954,
>> that number rose to over 50 percent. Today over 90% of commercial  
>> films are
>> made in color. Despite the objection of Hollywood purists to the  
>> colorizing
>> of old B&W films, the public demands it.
>>
>>
>> Now about the technology. Color photography has a history almost  
>> as long as
>> B&W photography, dating back to James Clerk Maxwell's  
>> demonstration of
>> three
>> color photography in 1861. But until the advent of integral  
>> tripack color
>> films in the 30s (Kodachrome), color photography was quite  
>> difficult. Back
>> in the day I fooled around with the carbro and wash off relief  
>> processes.
>> It
>> took me a full day to make a single print. Compared to color, B&W
>> processing
>> was dead easy. But B&W photography largely vanished from the  
>> public domain
>> with the advent of the digital camera. As far as I know no  
>> consumer B&W
>> digital camera has been offered to the general public since the .09
>> megapixel Logitech Fotoman of 1990. You can use your digital  
>> camera to make
>> B&W photos but it seems a waste of two thirds of the camera's  
>> resources.
>>
>>
>> I agree with Ted that content is the most important characteristic  
>> for news
>> and documantary photographs. But I completely reject his assumption
>> that disasters
>> generally look worse in B&W simply because the content is usually  
>> violence
>> and death. B&W provides a degree of abstraction that insulates the  
>> viewer
>> from the emotionality of the event. The color of blood in B&W is  
>> black. The
>> color of brain matter is gray. The real colors are far different.  
>> The two
>> photos he cites from the Vietnam war, photo of the police officer  
>> shooting
>> the VC through the head and the young girl running away from the  
>> Napalm
>> with
>> her clothes and body burnt would have been even more striking in  
>> color. As
>> would Capa's photographs of the D Day landing. Contrary to Ted's  
>> view that
>> "colour wouldn't have added anything," I feel that color would  
>> have added a
>> great deal. Blood is red, Napalm burns bright orange. Neither is  
>> in B&W.
>>
>>
>> So why weren't the pictures in color? First, printing color images in
>> letterpress is a difficult and time consuming process. Even B&W  
>> printing is
>> a challenge. Matthew Brady's pictures of the Civil War never  
>> appeared in
>> newspapers because the halftone process wasn't available until  
>> 1881, a
>> decade and a half after the war ended. My old paper, the Boston  
>> Globe, used
>> a 65 dpi halftone screen until 1960. Leica image quality certainly  
>> wasn't
>> necessary and color was out of the question. Run-of-press color  
>> was not
>> common in general circulation newspapers until the mid 70s. Quite  
>> a long
>> while after the dramatic pictures that Ted mentions were taken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ted tries to support the dominance of B&W as preferable in news  
>> photography
>> by saying "the 280,000 images in the National Archives of Canada
>> collection?
>> It's probably 75% B&W, 25% colour. Again simply because of the  
>> assignment
>> and whether magazine assignments, travel or tourism or whether the  
>> client
>> asked specifically to shoot in whatever medium." To put it bluntly,
>> newspapers and news magazines did not demand color photos because  
>> of the
>> merit of B&W but simply because it was less convenient and more  
>> costly to
>> get color pictures printed when most of Ted's pictures were taken.  
>> That's
>> not the case today.
>>
>>
>> Second, very few news photographers, particularly those in combat  
>> zones,
>> shot color in the field. I know this for a fact. As a Korean war vet
>> attached to Conarc Board 2 (the Armored Center) and the First  
>> Cavalry, one
>> of my military assignments was to photograph Army armored vehicles in
>> combat. Color films were slow and difficult to get processed. The  
>> only way
>> to get color film processed was to send it to Japan. All it took  
>> to develop
>> B&W film was a TriChem pack, a suitable dark space, a film tank and a
>> couple
>> of liters of water. It was easy if you were not too busy dodging  
>> bullets. I
>> am sure that much the same conditions held in Vietnam ten years  
>> later. I
>> was
>> there, I know.
>>
>>
>> Finally, most psychologists hold that while meaning can be  
>> conveyed by a
>> B&W
>> image, the emotional affect is largely conveyed by color.  
>> Remember, blood
>> is
>> red, not black. Vomit is green, not gray, Flowers are not B&W but  
>> are a
>> Crayola box of color. B&W is so seldom seen in commercial imaging  
>> today
>> that
>> it is attention getting by its rarity. Perhaps being different is the
>> reason
>> for success of the apocryphal portrait studio that Ted mentions.  
>> The image
>> consuming public has spoken. B&W photography is a fossil  
>> technology largely
>> supported by fossils such as inhabit the LUG. Remember, if color  
>> images
>> offend you, you can always turn down the saturation on your  
>> computer screen
>> or view them on your B&W TV.
>>
>>
>> Just the facts.
>>
>>
>> Larry Z
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
>
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