Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/06/15

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Subject: [Leica] Another R option (now M9)
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:02:32 +0100
References: <CA1E0706.10401%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Well Rabs, for night owls like you certainly, but for staid amateurs such as 
myself I am still in shock at the high speed of 160 asa compared to the 
Kodachrome 64 and Velvia I was used to.
YiHah high speed colour....
Frank D


On 15 Jun, 2011, at 11:51, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> What phototograers are used to now is NOT the ability to shoot a black cat
> on a garbage can in a dark alley at midnight. Wide open.
> 
> But a a black cat on a garbage can in a dark alley at midnight. Stopped
> down. With the cat leaping off the garbage can frozen in the air. Plus the
> other garbage can ten feet back its cat is leaping off and being also 
> frozen
> in the air. In the same shot. Deep focus. Frozen. Low light
> With no flash.
> 
> In other words at least iso 64,000 and be there and probably way way more.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --------------------
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:51:13 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Conversation: [Leica] Another R option (now M9)
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another R option (now M9)
>> 
>> A much smaller niche now than in the 90's in the days of the M6 Geoff.
>> Leica is now paying Magnum photographers to be seen with M's in their 
>> hands
>> and calling it a "Partnership".  A PR quagmire as its fooling nobody when 
>> what
>> need to happen is the sensor upgraded. When that happens the photographers
>> will be paying for the cameras not the other way around.
>> 
>> EVERY Magnum photogeek in the 90's used M's. Read BEST photographers in 
>> the
>> world. And people would say then "nobody" was using them.  People knew
>> differently.  "Nobody" then meant not the masses of photogs but the very 
>> best
>> photogs were certainly using M6's. Not a bad niche to be in.
>> 
>> NONE of the Magman photograms are now using M9's.  So now "nobody" means
>> "nobody" for sure. Its not a niche at all its pretty much nobody. The full
>> frame sensor did not do it as to tear them away from their DSLR's they're 
>> NOT
>> going to go down 4 f stops in iso speed to do that.
>> 
>> But again I'll say when that sensor is upgraded they will follow.
>> 
>> If you build it they will come.
>> 
>> Mark Rabiner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:51:12 +1000
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another R option (now M9)
>>> 
>>> That will be news to the 200% more customers since the M9 was released!
>>> It has been a niche camera and not a mainstream choice for pros for quite
>>> some time certainly.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
> 
> 
> 
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