Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07

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Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed
From: bryanwi at bryanwi.com (Bryan Willman)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:43:01 +0000
References: <266C7104DC716A311EE66EE6@dhcp-71.sql1.isc.org>

I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if 
litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use.

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
Brian Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM
To: lug at leica-users.org
Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
auto-unsubscribed

A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy 
ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes that 
he 
has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately a few 
ISPs believe him.  Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to 
classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his 
spam-finding 
service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's spam 
detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not possible) 
then 
mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend on his 
free service.

If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can think 
bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their 
position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point 
trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real 
villains 
are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial 
spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is therefore 
not 
free.

The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is to 
find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control 
companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues.

If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, but 
you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a 
friend.



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Replies: Reply from billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
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