Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/27

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Subject: [Leica] Leica ME?
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:41:50 -0500
References: <CC618A5B.22D17%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I have seen some marvelous amateur pics taken with a first generation Sigma 
dSLR (attached to East German "Zeiss" glass). Too heavy to be a nice travel 
camera, so happy snaps (pretty ones) is probably its niche. 

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:34, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> The Foveon X3 sensor was 20.7 mm ? 13.8 mm.
> It would have been a very hard sell getting serious photographers used to
> 24x36mm's or close to go back to that size. It would have had to show
> superior results and it didn't even come close. Has anyone heard of anyone
> using one to do jobs? Or even happy snaps? Who knows how it would have
> looked if they came out with a full sized sensor.
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
>> From: Jefffery Smith <jsmith342 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:24:02 -0500
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica ME?
>> 
>> The Foveon CCD gives marvelous color results, but is noisy and, even 
>> worse,
>> attached to a camera with write speeds that make you wonder if the camera 
>> is
>> stuck in a do loop.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Jeffery L. Smith
>> New Orleans, Louisiana
>> USA
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 18:58, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The way I see it any image we see nowadays in the media and done by
>>> commercial photographers; masters of their craft are done with CMOS 
>>> sensors.
>>> The only cameras without them are medium format digital and small point 
>>> and
>>> shoots. So this distain for the look of CMOS I think can only be found on
>>> the LUG. Not in the real world. Its academic in the worst sense. And its 
>>> not
>>> as if we have a choice. If Nikon or Canon or anybody else felt there was
>>> some edge they'd get with coming out with a CCD based DSLR or other 
>>> serious
>>> camera in the 24x36mm realm they'd have done so long ago. There isn't so
>>> they haven't. These people are not stupid. And they are making highly
>>> competitive gear. Its Leicas job to come out with something just a tad
>>> better or more. I think the M10 will be clearly that. Much more so than 
>>> the
>>> M9.
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photography
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Alastair Firkin <afirkin at afirkin.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:21:23 -0400
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica ME?
>>>> 
>>>> The CMOS sensor has advantages, but arn't we giving up the 'beauty' of 
>>>> the
>>>> CCD which we have all been praising for so long ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think its phony becuae its saying that BECAUSE it has a CMOS sensor
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> going to have live view.  And video.  I'm going to stick my neck out 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> both live view and video are very un Leica like and will never been 
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a Leica M. things are just not that bad and I don't think they ever 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be.
>>>>>> I so have some faith left in the human spirit.
>>>>>> So I'm thinking these people must but Gearhead idiots I've never 
>>>>>> heard o
>>>>>> them before. Their next review will be of a compact portable hard disk
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> backups wireless with a clever blinking light which goes from red to
>>>>>> green.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the damn thing has a Cmos sensor
>>>>> it damn well better have live view.
>>>>> Obviously a big plus for all sorts of photography;
>>>>> not the least of which is the use of R lenses.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While, when turned off, not in anyone's way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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