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Subject: [Leica] MM - first impressions
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:16:44 +0530
References: <CC66ED64.2300D%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark,
You can correct it on Wiki!
Cheers
Jayanand

Sent from my iPad

On 01-Sep-2012, at 8:08 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> The Doug Ball shot of Trudeau is a weak photograph.
> You can't tell what Trudeau  is doing unless you read a caption.
> He's twisted in an awkward unattractive way and is almost unrecognizable
> without a caption. The entire image is a week composition which 
> communicates
> little if not nothing.
> 
> The Ted Grant shot of Trudeau  is an exceedingly strong image in which the
> Prime minister is totally recognizable and communities completely his joy 
> de
> vive in a way the Ball shot can only dream.
> It needs no caption.
> Though I wonder what they one they did you said.
> Something redundant and unnecessary no doubt.
> Re stating the obvious.
> 
> Wiki in this case is totally out of the Loup.
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
>> From: Emanuel Lowi <manolito at videotron.ca>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:54:37 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] MM - first impressions
>> 
>> Ted Grant blasted:
>>> 
>>> SO EMANUEL WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS???
>>> 
>>> My photograph of Prime Minister Pierre Elliot  Trudeau of Canada sliding
>>> down a stair case bannister hands held on high doesn't count, because 
>>> it's
>>> shot in B&W. And not Velvia??????
>>> 
>>> When it's recognized as the most iconic politcal photograph in the 
>>> history
>>> of Canada! Not by me, but the National Archives of Canada and many other
>>> organizations of similar position.
>>> 
>>> Is that correct good Sir?
>>> 
>> 
>> To be clear, I'm now saying that Trudeau on the banister would have been
>> wonderful as colour video -- full motion, with sound!
>> 
>> For me, a better photo of PET was taken by Doug Ball, in London, England, 
>> in
>> 1977. It shows Trudeau pirouetting behind H.R.M. Elizabeth II and her
>> entourage, all oblivious to Trudeau's balletic maneuver.
>> 
>> That's the Trudeau I recognize. (Full disclosure: he was my M.P. and 
>> worked
>> down the street from me after he retired from politics and got back into
>> law. I'd run into him on the corner at lunch hour.)
>> 
>> Wikipedia refers to Doug Ball's photo as "arguably the most famous photo 
>> of
>> Trudeau."
>> 
>> Ball also captured Robert Stanfield's infamous football fumble, which "is
>> said to have cost him (and the Conservative Party) the election."
>> 
>> I worry when folks talk about souls, photographed or otherwise. It's a
>> quaintly hopeful idea for the artsy photographer or for the pious. From 
>> what
>> I can see, Life is in Living Colour. Death seems to be about fading into 
>> the
>> momentary White and then into the permanent Black. That's why we don't 
>> want
>> to go There.
>> 
>> Most of the great B&W photos (I worry about this icon stuff too, seems
>> somehow connected to souls...) were taken at a time when there was no 
>> colour
>> film. B&W photography ain't coming back, despite the Leica MM.
>> 
>> Emanuel
>> 
>> 
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