Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/02

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Monochrom
From: jbmmllug at jbm.org (Jeff Moore)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:07:59 -0400
References: <CF18E3A0-4320-40D4-90BE-2BC71E354837@archiphoto.com> <CC902E29.24436%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:
> I wonder though when looking at these nice shots why I'm looking at "jbm0 
> No
> real name given"s pix in " flickr from Yahoo" is the a reason for the
> anonymity in this jarring interface?

Jarring, as in you think Flickr's interface in general is jarring?  I
started using Flickr years ago because the "WFMUish" group[1] on
Flickr has for quite a few years been the de facto worldwide
collective scrapbook for pictures in some way related to the people
and activities of WFMU, the world's finest freeform radio
station[2][3].  But even though poor ol' Flickr has suffered from a
lack of love during its occupation by Yahoo, I still like aspects of
its interface and feature set, and indeed that interface has improved
(albeit slowly) even during these Yahoo years.

I certainly don't wish to put down the LUG Gallery, which is a
valuable service Brian has been providing free-as-in-air, but I
actually do prefer Flickr (and SmugMug) to the LUG Gallery for most
purposes, and only because you've brought it up, I'll mention some of
the reasons.

Flickr can do that nice thing where it shows you pictures one at a
time, as large as possible given the size of your browser window,
surrounded by a nice field of black[4].  You can page forward and back
among them using the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard, or
use the mouse if you insist.  This basic functionality (pictures big,
able to navigate with the keyboard) is something I now consider
essential for a photo-viewing site to be pleasant to use.  When I
select one of your photos in the LUG Gallery and hit the right arrow
key, nothing happens.  Spacebar?  Still nothing.  apparently, you have
to take the tiny mouse pointer and click on the tiny single right
arrowhead picture to see the next photo.  Now, there was a time when I
considered all that browser-resident active smarts stuff Just Plain
Wrong and Not The Way The Web Works, but I'm long since over that.
Oh, and to see a picture big on the LUG Gallery, there's a separate
popup window which you have to look at then close and find your way
back to navigating to the next picture.  Feels fiddly to me.  Maybe
it's just-right porridge to you.

I like how transparent and straightforward Flickr's handling of tags
is - easy to apply, easy to see what's been applied, easy to see what
other people have tagged similarly.

I like that there's still a fairly large community of photographers
using Flickr, and a fairly high likelihood that people looking for
something you've photographed will be able to find it on Flickr.  This
is a well-known double-edged sword, because there's also a high amount
of photo swiping from Flickr, but especially for things you'd actually
like a lot of people to be able to see if they want to, it's pretty
swell.

I like Flickr's photo-viewing statistics tracking.  Maybe it's the
height of self-absorption, but I like knowing which pictures people
have been interested in looking at, and when, and often why (because
wherever possible, Flickr provides trackbacks to the sites people came
from, often with the search terms they used to find your stuff).

I like how complete Flickr's display of camera metadata is.

> A reason to not back your pix up with your name?

Normal people (anyone who has a Flickr login, since I figure pretty
much everybody who does photography probably at least has a Flickr
account, even if it's not their main place to put things) could always
see my name.

I actually didn't realize/remember that my default for Flickrless folk
was not to show my name - I always see it, because the browser I look
at stuff in generally has my Flickr credentials present.  Not very
good pre-post regression testing on my part.  Thanks for pointing this
out (even if in a Mister Snarkypants sort of way);  I've found and
changed that preference, so that even the unwashed masses see my name.

> A reason to not be on the Lug gallery?

I'm on the LUG Gallery.  If I'm posting something I only intend to
show to LUG folk, I might put it there.  There are probably still
photos of mine there illustrating things we were discussing in the
Nineteen Nineties or Early Two Thousands or whenever the LUG Gallery
was set up (and they're all left in place so as not to break links in
archived posts).  I'm grateful that our Saloonkeeper set up the LUG
Gallery as a place for people who were befuddled when photo
attachments got stripped from their email to the list to put those
photos so we can all see them.  As explained above, I don't actually
find Gallery v2.2 as useful an interface for either viewing or posting
as Flickr's (and I have trouble understanding how you could - are you
looking at photos on a phone or something?), but I guess that's why
there are usually salt shakers on dining tables.

-Jeff

Footnotes:

[1] http://www.flickr.com/groups/wfmuish/

[2] http://wfmu.org/

[3] You should give them money, because they're a precious cultural
resource, and listener-supported[5].  See URL above.

[4] Like this: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/8045670345/in/set-72157631671706166/lightbox/

[5] Full disclosure: "us" now, not "them", because after about ten
years of volunteering, I now suddenly find myself on staff.


In reply to: Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] IMG: Monochrom)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] IMG: Monochrom)