Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I apologize for not realizing you were this blazingly dense. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:32:33 +0530 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. > > How stupid of me! I wasn't aware that we were shooting for a mural at > Grand Central Station. I was just assuming we were talking about prints, > which of course, will be much smaller in size. Please go ahead and > elucidate how you are going to shoot your murals. With a Leica M, I > presume, that has not been released yet. I see B&H has it for pre-order, > expected availability Feb 2013. Has Leica given you a prototype to help you > out? With the new Summicron, no doubt. Can you please send me some DNGs so > I can judge for myself, like Tina did with the Leica MM? Thanks a million. > > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> I would hate to disturb you from you personal slamming diatribes that >> you've >> got all worked out to the fact that you do knee jerk slams whenever you >> see >> any of my posts and don't bother reading them its not about the issues of >> which we are speaking but making personal just against me personally. >> But a basic axiom of photography which believe it or not is the issue at >> hand. >> You want to shoot a mural for the wall of grand central station a Minox is >> not your first choice but as large a format as you've got accesses to. >> If you are doing thumbnail sized jpegs for a website that sure use a pinky >> nail sensor. >> That's all that's meant but the very basic and never before today >> questioned >> axiom of final output being a defining factor of photographic technique. >> >> But we're not talking about that are we we are just slamming me >> personally! >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:03:33 +0530 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>> >>> Mark, >>> If only you had hands on experience on what you prattle on about, I would >>> take you a lot more seriously. As it is, as far as I am concerned, you >> are >>> a humorous aside on the list, considering the fact that you have not even >>> lifted any camera that you are so eager to expound on, nor seen any >> output >>> on which to base your flights of fancy, whether for the positive or the >>> negative. Who can ever take you seriously, except at their own risk? Of >>> course you suffer from Confirmation Bias, you talk yourself into >> believing >>> your own mythical positions! I suggest you give this book a good read and >>> ruminate on it for a bit for your own good: >>> >>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637/ref=la>> _ >>> B001ILFNQG_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352734206&sr=1-1 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually Jayanand and Gerry the fact that photography is output >> defined is >>>> not really my little quirky opinion here that I came up with after two >> cups >>>> of coffee but a basic piece of photo teaching and technique since day >> one >>>> and has been discused on the lug for a decade as a starting point of >> fact >>>> that no ones ever thought to contest as to do so would be pure idiocy. >>>> You sit down in your first photo class put your smart phones away the >>>> teacher takes attendance and then says "first of all photography is an >>>> output dependent thing". >>>> " Confirmation Bias" is an exciting bit of rhetoric you've dug up it >> simply >>>> has nothing at all do do with my post which I doubt you'd even read. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:26:39 +0000 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely! >>>>> >>>>> Gerry Walden >>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>>> www.gwpics.com >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Nov 2012, at 02:48, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am amazed at the amount of Confirmation Bias rampant on the list! >> (-: >>>>>> It is an exceedingly dangerous mindset.... >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your whole photo deal is output defined. >>>>>>> If all you're doing is uploading jpegs which are a few hundred pixies >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> then its not really worth it to spend a lot of money on good camera >>>> bodies >>>>>>> with larger sensors and glass. You can use a point and shoot with a >>>> smaller >>>>>>> sensor than 1.5 or 2x crop. If you are somehow making it so people >> can >>>>>>> download large files from your work then its up a notch. And Printing >>>>>>> brings >>>>>>> out the worst and best about your gear. So if you have a print >>>> portfolio, >>>>>>> you hang shows or otherwise you print a lot its worth it to be very >>>>>>> selective about your gear. >>>>>>> And I doubt there's going to be a better way to go then with a Leica >> M >>>> no >>>>>>> number afterward and farily current Leica glass. >>>>>>> Leica S though is going to be a big notch up from that. >>>>>>> Would love to see direct comparisons between the same subject matter >>>> shot >>>>>>> with both systems. >>>>>>> S and M. ( get it!?) >>>>>>> And Leica M against canon and Nikon DSLR'S that everyone else is >>>> shooting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cant wait to see my first Leica M movie. Shot with Summicrons. >>>>>>> Reminds me of the taste of wild hickory nuts.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:18:41 -0800 >>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We should bring our Leicas and Fuji's to the burning and then >> compare >>>>>>> prints!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob Adler >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are a heretic, to be burned at the stake. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Nathan (who owns an M8 and an X100) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:24 PM, jon.streeter wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this why X100 images compare favorably with those from digital >> M >>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> seen on line, or is it because images viewed on line really can't >> be >>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>> enough detail to-be judged? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:12 am >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark. Back in film days, the Leica quality was always with the >>>> lens. >>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>>> cameras could shoot the same film and vary the exposure the same >>>> way. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> lenses made the difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, with digital, there is one more variable between cameras. >> The >>>>>>> sensor >>>>>>>>>> and firmware replace the universally available film. Leica has to >>>> get >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> part at least as good as the competition for the lenses to make >> the >>>>>>>>>> difference again. Hope they can do it with the M and CMOS. They >>>> are >>>>>>>>>> competing with the big boys who have big bucks and lots of years >> of >>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aram >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Nov, 2012, at 00:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>>>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think any of them will really come close though. >>>>>>>>>>>> They'll be smaller and lighter then an M. But the image quality >>>> will >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> M will be plainly visible. >>>>>>>>>>>> Glaringly visible up from an APS- C camera. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information