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Subject: [Leica] health care
From: billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:35:30 -0600
References: <20121118185228.XAPR6475.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> <157883DD-F982-4DB1-97D7-09CAFBB6EA18@mac.com>

I'm not so concerned about on-topic, but very concerned about this forum 
becoming a home to extreme right wing politics.

Bill Pearce

-----Original Message----- 
From: Scott Gregory
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:17 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] health care

As mentioned earlier would be nice if we could keep this on photo related 
topics.

Scott

On 2012-11-18, at 1:52 PM, jon.streeter <jon.streeter at cox.net> wrote:

> The profit-driven health-care system in the US is, I have read, largely 
> the result of government regulation molded by wealthy and powerful 
> insurance companies and by plaintiffs' attorneys' ruinous lawsuits which 
> have caused doctors to pay exorbitant insurance premiums and to practice 
> preventive CYA testing procedures all of which adds to the cost.
>
> Few price shop for health care, so doctors have little incentive to reduce 
> prices but plenty of incentive to raise them.  Ironically, this situation, 
> I have read, includes a government-regulated system which refuses to 
> authorize realistic fees to doctors.  Many doctors are refusing to treat 
> Medicare patients.  Others have quit the medical profession because of 
> insurance premiums.  A severe shortage of doctors has been predicted under 
> the ACA.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the world continues to come to the US for 
> the best medical care.  I should think the world's needy would be 
> innundating Canada, maybe Cuba, both of which supposedly have great free 
> medical care.
>
> I have also read that Canadians have to wait months for doctors' 
> appointments compared to days here in the US and that their system works 
> only because they have the option of sending some of their patients to be 
> treated in the US.  I wonder if under "free" health care, that option will 
> remain open.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "FRANK DERNIE" <frank.dernie at btinternet.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
> Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 9:20 am
>
>
> I am in the UK. I have travelled the world for work for 35 years. I have, 
> thankfully, almost never needed medical care but in both France and the UK 
> it has been satisfactory when needed.
> My mother needs medical help quite often and I always accompany her, since 
> her memory is going. She is always kindly and patiently treated.
> My sixth grandchild was born last week in the John Radcliffe Infirmary in 
> Oxford. I can't imagine anywhere has better care or more delightful 
> midwives.
> The NHS is pretty good in my experience.
>
> I must say I have always been concerned to need medical care in the US. I 
> don't doubt the quality of the care (should I?) but since it is a very 
> profitable "industry" in the US the potential charges scare me sh*tless.
>
> Anyway, my present to me when I retired was a promise to never go to an 
> airport again, so a moot point...
>
> FD
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 16:26
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>>
>> As a father of two children currently living in the UK, I can only say 
>> that our family's experience with the NHS has been uniformly positive. 
>> And if you think the US "free market" system does not ration care, you 
>> live in a dream world.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>> YNWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2012, at 4:25 PM, jon.streeter wrote:
>>
>>> Don't get me started on socialized medicine.  Britain stopped treating 
>>> macular-degeneration patients a couple of years ago on the grounds that, 
>>> well, it's incurable.  So let's forget about trying?  What's next?  Stop 
>>> treating the elderly because they're going to die pretty soon anyway?
>>> Your hospital fired you:  was it something you said?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "scleroplex" <scleroplex at gmail.com>
>>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>>> Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 5:35 am
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Douglas,
>>> My best wishes to your wife and you.
>>>
>>> I am always sad to hear of missed diagnoses because imaging was not
>>> resorted to early on.
>>> It is an enduring fight with both insurance companies and socialists 
>>> within
>>> medicine for whom
>>> the total cost to society outweighs any benefit to the individual.
>>>
>>> The socialists running the hospital which fired me 2 years ago has
>>> published numerous papers
>>> aiming to scare people away from imaging as well as defaming the 
>>> intentions
>>> of doctors who order MRI scans.
>>> My takedown of their latest fraud is here -
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/scleroplex/6811713204/
>>>
>>> It is very sad that the two of you have been put into this spin cycle in
>>> the first place.
>>> Never ever ever give up and do remain aggressive.
>>>
>>> There are many breast cancer trials presently -
>>> http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=breast+cancer&recr=Open&rslt=&type=&cond=&intr=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&gndr=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=
>>> One can search by country as well.
>>>
>>> Enjoy every single day.
>>> Bharani
>>>
>>> Bharani Padmanabhan MD PhD
>>> Boston
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message: 28
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:18:37 -0000
>>> From: "Douglas Barry" <imra at iol.ie>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] My wife - thanks!
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Message-ID: <A5AEAF67FE8B412A9E7E91A5FAB923BF at Family>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>         reply-type=original
>>>
>>> A very rough period for both of you, Gerry, I hope all goes well.
>>>
>>> My wife and I are spinning through the same rinse cycle in that 
>>> particular
>>> hellish washing machine right now. G was diagnosed in the latter part of
>>> August - primary breast cancer with lots of secondary tumours in her 
>>> bones.
>>> Missed by two doctors when she went to them about her bad back. Took a 
>>> third
>>> visit and a demand for an MRI to determine the real problem. Specialist 
>>> team
>>> are great though. However, no promise of cure either, but they're hoping 
>>> it
>>> can be controlled. I could fill several pages on the various operations 
>>> and
>>> hospital stays, but...
>>>
>>> Anyway she was released home yesterday three inches shorter than she 
>>> used to
>>> be, but hopefully things will pick up from now on.
>>>
>>> Personally, photography has gone out the window in a blizzard of 
>>> domestic
>>> duties. It's certainly an altered life.
>>>
>>> Douglas
>>>
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