Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Peter I'm with in in your one through nine but am stopped by your number ten: 10. Something Later and Newer will capture the attention of the photographic hive mind. Because I'm hoping for more of a classic status from the new numberless M. The M which needs no number. Transcends all need of numbers. A culmination of all M's. When the other M's came out people didn't see it as "great till the next new thing comes out" as they all can be used not just for an interim. I think this M will be the first digital M to achieve equal status with the Leica's II through VII; or 2 through 7. A bit of classic timelessness. I believe the camera will be viable for a full decade or more. One will not be shooting oneself in the foot taking it out for a spin in the year 2023+. Maybe not in the year 2525 as it has not got a hologram extenuator. To people such as myself who never pawned off their serious cache of Leica glass the new Leica M is a daunting enabler for that glass. And that is the bottom line. That glass is worth now far more than the camera body but worth a hundred times more than that if its with me and not in my closet. In Hollywood they say the real genius's are the accountants. There should be an academy award for those guys. The artful challenge now is how to finance 7 grand for ones camera to end all cameras; almost. The camera which makes us or me loose all interest in my Nikons and other systems. And I'd skip getting a smaller compact for my pocket. The M fits in a small bag which I never leave home without just as much as my pants. I think this insurmountable wall (seven grand +or-) can be approached creatively. A worthwhile mission impossible to make possible. Mind over matter. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: jon streeter <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:39:04 -0800 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica in the LUG > > :D > Great post, Peter. Right on ze mark. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Peter Klein" <pklein at threshinc.com> > To: "lug" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: [Leica] Leica in the LUG > Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 12:20 am > > > Geoff: You're not alone. I am interested. I really am. But: > > 1. The M (240) is not yet available. > 2. When it becomes available, it will only be available to the folks that > pre-ordered it. > 3. Then it will become unavailable again. > 4. The usual Web sites will publish glowing articles an how bleeping > incredible the camera is and how no serious photographer could possibly > live > without it. > 5. The other usual Web sites will publish snarky articles about how the > camera > takes OK pictures, but nothing you couldn't do with a much more versatile > midrange C or N, about how it's neck jewelry for the "1%," and about how > they're not sure how Leica can still exist, even though it does. > 6. Someone on the Internet will find something seriously wrong with it. > 7. There will be several weeks/months of debate on whether the above > complainer used proper methodology, whether it's really a problem, and > whether > Leica will survive the outrage. > 8. Leica will fix whatever problem was found. > 9. The camera will become available again. > 10. Something Later and Newer will capture the attention of the > photographic > hive mind. > > It's somewhere between Steps 8 and 10 that I will consider whether the new > M > might improve my photography sufficiently that it would be worth selling a > bunch of stuff and depleting my retirement savings to buy it. If it > would, I > may bite. If not, I might upgrade to an M9 that a new M purchaser is > unloading. Meanwhile, I'm reading everything I can about the new M. I'm > hoping the new sensor puts it in the same high ISO ballpark as the better > DSLRs and the Fuji X-Pro 1. I'm optimistic that it will still show the > character of those incrediblishe lensen vee love zo much (mit apologies to > Jon Streeter :-) > > In the meantime, I continue to shoot with my M8 (remember them?). And also > with an un-Leica with very modern technology (Oly OM-D E-M5) for the things > that a rangefinder and digital Leicas don't do as well. Unfortunately, that > includes ISOs of over 800. > > Knock wood, I can still focus an RF at one year shy of 60, and it's still > my > preferred way of working. If I had money to burn, I would already own an > MM--I > love B&W, and it does beautiful high ISO. And if hard times hit and I had > to > sell all my toys but a few, I'd keep my M6 and a 50 Summicron, and shoot > whatever fast B&W film was out there. > > So, can I stay? :-) > > --Peter > > Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >> Am I alone in being also interested in the forthcoming new Leica cameras >> here? Post activity sometimes seems to be anything but Leica >> My delete key is wearing out prematurely ;-) >> Paradigm shifts, Fujis, Sonys, DXO whatever,.... can't tell the >> difference.....a new crop of why product X or S is better than the M9, >> three years after the M9 actually came out and it is discontinued now >> anyway. >> The M typ 240 will be a huge evolution. Mine's on order. I guess we have >> no S system owners at all? but that new model is also evolving a great > >> deal. >> At least the Monochrom is of interest and that one really is a "paradigm >> shift" >> Jeesh! >> >> Cheers, >> Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information