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Subject: [Leica] DNG compression???
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:52:55 +1000
References: <540D27C0-778A-4F70-BAD7-C8A0EB0F9F5A@acm.org> <CAE3QcF6OzuDrm6JRNHz62j7a6_Rw9W5667s2y9P+A4=JKVcHhQ@mail.gmail.com> <37D0DD4A-5E0D-479F-9837-632F6884E4B2@acm.org>

Herbert that is correct. Camera firmware never changed the in camera 
compression options. FWIW I use uncompressed DNG only in my M9 too.

cheers
Geoff

On 10/12/2012, at 18:06, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:

> Thanks Geoff. I take it then that it's the RAW processor in Lightroom and 
> not a camera firmware update that introduced the lossless compression. I 
> think that change was between LR2 and LR3.
> 
> Re the compression from 16 (actually only fourteen bits of data in a 16 
> bit container) to 8 bits being undetectable, I believe it, but I have 
> plenty of disk space; at the rate I'm shooting, disk space will outlive 
> me. However, I tried compressing in the camera in the hope that I would 
> see a speed-up, i.e. an increase in the number of continuous exposures 
> that could be made before the camera stopped dead because of a full 
> buffer. I could not see a noticeable change in this number between 
> compressed and uncompressed, so I just reverted to uncompressed for no 
> particularly valid reason.
> Herbert Kanner
> kanner at acm.org
> 650-326-8204
> 
> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
> 
>> Herbert you have several items in there.
>> Firstly if you use compressed DNG set in camera you give up almost nothing
>> to gain the savings in file sizes. Some argue that you cannot see any
>> difference at all. While it is technically lossy, this does not mean the
>> change is significant and there is no futher loss on resaving, unlike 
>> where
>> you save new versionsa as new JPGs..
>> Secondly on import in an Adobe raw processor (ACR or LR) truly LOSSLESS
>> compression is applied. In recent program versions that is the default 
>> (and
>> now only) process because there is no downside at all.
>> If you open previously uncompressed on import DNGs and do some editing, 
>> for
>> example a WB change that LOSSLESS compression is applied.
>> Thirdly , whether you originally shot with your camera set for compressed
>> or uncompressed DNGs, those files are further losslessly compressed by the
>> Adobe program on import (or first editing and saving for earlier program
>> versions).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 December 2012 06:39, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi LUGers,
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for some enlightenment from anyone who knows. The question 
>>> has
>>> to do with the size of Leica DNG files. Back in August, 2010, I had a set
>>> of DNGs all but one of which were 36.4 MB in size.  All of those taken 
>>> the
>>> same afternoon at the same general location. Similarly, using Leica's
>>> compression, in December, 2011, I found a set of DNGs taken the same day,
>>> at 18.3 MB.
>>> 
>>> Then, in November, 2011, there was a set taken the same day, where the
>>> file sizes varied from 19.6 to 23.1 MB. Was this a result of a firmware
>>> update in which Leica probably introduced LOSSLESS compression? To round 
>>> up
>>> the picture, I found a set in August, 2012, where the size range was 8.5 
>>> to
>>> 10.3 MB, undoubtedly where I set "compressed DNG" on the camera.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herbert Kanner
>>> kanner at acm.org
>>> 650-326-8204
>>> 
>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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