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Subject: [Leica] Tape backup? time for a pic?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:38:02 -0500

They trick may be to not have to rely on a 30 year old backup as ones only
copy of an important image.


On 12/15/12 4:39 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:

> You can't read old PATA, DMA33 hard drives easily any more either. So no
> matter what one chooses, one needs to make sure that the container can be
> accessed. If it looks like the technology or format will go away, then copy
> the content to the latest and greatest version.
> 
> So tape "expected lifetime" is 30 years, I don't think anyone can claim
> that for hard drive tech.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, one needs to be aware of changing formats, same with disks.
>> 
>> ... and expected lifetime
>> 
>> <http://h20000.www2.hp.com/**bizsupport/TechSupport/**
>> Document.jsp?locale=en_US&**taskId=120&prodSeriesId=34648&**
>> prodTypeId=12169&objectID=**c00286108<http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te
>> chSupport/Document.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=34648&prodTypeId=
>> 12169&objectID=c00286108>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/15/12 8:50 AM, Ric Carter wrote:
>> 
>>> regarding tape backup
>>> 
>>> there are different tape formats--if you use one for years and it fails,
>>> it is easy to find your tapes unreadable
>>> 
>>> we had this happen at the office
>>> 
>>> we now use a network HD and local offsite via internet
>>> 
>>> ric
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:14 AM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> <http://photos.csd.net/**library.html<http://photos.csd.net/library.html>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> An old pic, now using lto4/5, but the idea is the same.  Lots of
>>>> terabyte tapes used in rotation, periodically moved to other locations.
>>>>  Granted, a somewhat heavyweight solution, but not needing a robot to do
>>>> the work, the same reliability can be achieved on a desktop or within a 
>>>> PC.
>>>> 
>>>> Never underestimate the bandwidth of an SUV full of tapes.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/15/12 7:59 AM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Richard Man <
>>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>**wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Well, at $180 for 2TB, that's 10 drives for $1800.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unused drives sitting around is less reliable than unused tapes,
>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> yeah but, if you are using the backup software, the hds get exercised.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  you can buy a lot of hard drive terrabytes for 1800 bucks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Richard Man <
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Well one of my 2TB drive in the back up system just gave up the
>>>>>>>> ghost.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have ~2TB of images right now, and sure to grow
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know there were a few discussions on back up systems for photos,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> don't think tape back up got much attention. Anyone using it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am more or less down to choosing between tape back up or Amazon
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glacier.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The nice thing about Glacier is that it is entirely offsite. The
>>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>> downside is that while it is much cheaper than other online storage,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> $0.01 per GB per month, with 2TB of data, that's still $240 per year
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be more as I take more photos.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The nice thing about tape is that it is cheap enough ($60-$100 per 2
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TB)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> that I can make at least one duplicate copy. The downside is that the
>>>>>>>> initial equipment purchase costs $1300-$1800 (and up) and I will 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> find an offsite solution.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The default is to continue with hard drive back up. The major 
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> reliability. For business data, I have a a RAID netstation and
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>> back up on different systems, but for photos, doing the same is just
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> fiscally viable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> // richard
>>>>>>>> <http://www.richardmanphoto.**com<http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/
>>>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> USA
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> // richard 
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>>>>>>> 
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