Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Yes! The IIIf was just about the perfect size and the X-2 it's modern incarnation. Let's hope the Mini carries that tradition forward. Dick On May 26, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > When the first Leica M came out the IIIG was still in pr0duction for some > years. Leica realized that there were people who just weren't going to go > for a camera of that larger size form. Many think that when they upped > their > size form from the LTM to the M they were making a camera which was just > too big to be a Leica... A camera which Barnack would not care for. I kind > of agree with that. The last several times I did Leica shoots with was with > my IIIF. I left my M's at home. > I find the size and look of the Leica X2 to be supremely Leicalike. > If it has a full sized sensor I'd be saving for it. > In effect I think we're looking at just that with the new "mini". > > > On 5/25/13 1:01 PM, "Richard S. Taylor" <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> wrote: > >> Well, as others have said, it's hard to imagine Leica competing with >> themselves so FF is not a starter, I think. Fuji and others have shown >> what >> can be done with APS-C so if the build and image quality with M lenses >> were >> high, I might go for that price. >> >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> On May 25, 2013, at 12:23 PM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: >> >>> $3.5 K would not be acceptable for a APS-C camera, a FF camera would be >>> another thing all together. >>> >>> Gene >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Richard Taylor" <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:00:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: RG Lewis and Leica M frustrations >>> >>> I think Steve has it right. Unless the Mini proves to be a useable >>> camera at >>> an acceptable price, Leica will have truly and finally abandoned those >>> of us >>> looking for a practical tool in favor of the gifters and collectors. >>> >>> Useable to my mind means that the camera has at least an APS-C sensor, a >>> built-in EVF of a quality like that in the XE-1, and microlenses on the >>> sensor to let us use M lenses with excellent image quality with or >>> without an >>> adapter. The anticipated price of about $3.5K would be in the acceptable >>> range for me if the camera met the other criteria. >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 25, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Steve Barbour wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On May 25, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know if this translates well. In Australia we call this the " >>>>> tall >>>>> poppy syndrome". Some people enjoy taking swipes at anyone successful. >>>>> Good >>>>> on them. Of course it is in our interest too that Leica Camera does >>>>> well. >>>>> They make products that some of us value a lot for the photographs >>>>> that we >>>>> can make with them and for the experience of using those products to >>>>> achieve that, They can sell as much as they want to anyone that may >>>>> value >>>>> their products for whatever reason they wish. Why would you care if you >>>>> value Leica for the photographs you can make? >>>> >>>> If at this time virtually all of the product is going to people who >>>> don't >>>> make photographs, you can bet that I/we should care about it. Of course >>>> it >>>> is impacting our ability to make photos right now. But I don't think >>>> that >>>> you have answered my question. The short run is already surely impacted >>>> as I >>>> have just noted. I was asking about the longer run. What does this model >>>> predict in terms of future optical quality? >>>> >>>> I am now using a wonderful 1950's Leica Summicron 50/2 on a Fujifilm >>>> XE-1 >>>> body, with a better experience and with better results than with the >>>> latest >>>> Leica glass on my M9. Leica quality clearly is already compromised, and >>>> their plan to sell expensive gear to non users means that they are not >>>> currently giving priority to the practical needs of professionals and >>>> discriminating users. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 May 2013 00:04, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at >>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan, >>>>>>> It has taken you a very long time to realize and accept this. I was >>>>>>> sure >>>>>> of >>>>>>> the strategic shift in marketing with the M8 itself - it was so >>>>>>> obvious - >>>>>>> the marketing, the choice of magazines for advertisements, the >>>>>> positioning, >>>>>>> the advertorials, etc. With Blackstone's entrance, it was doubly >>>>>>> obvious, >>>>>>> especially when the ostensible reason for the investment was to >>>>>>> spread >>>>>> the >>>>>>> Leica Boutiques, not develop new products. IMHO, it is great for >>>>>>> them, >>>>>>> because as in all MOJO businesses, the margins are obscene, and as >>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>> points out, there are enough people in the emerging world to pay for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> bulk of the production (not only the M series but the S series as >>>>>>> well). >>>>>> It >>>>>>> is not dissimilar to what the Bordeaux market has gone through in the >>>>>> last >>>>>>> few years, and what the Burgundy market is going through now - >>>>>>> though I >>>>>>> believe that over 50% of the bottles sold in China are fakes, >>>>>>> because as >>>>>> in >>>>>>> all such markets, the labels matter (Mojo), not the intrinsic >>>>>>> quality. It >>>>>>> will be interesting to see what will happen to Leica as growth in >>>>>>> China >>>>>>> keeps slowing down, as is bound to happen. Remember, this will shaft >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Russian market as well, because energy prices would nosedive. As >>>>>>> far as >>>>>> I >>>>>>> can see, they have alienated most of their traditional clientele, >>>>>>> bar a >>>>>>> few, and I wonder where they would go to make up the volumes. They >>>>>>> just >>>>>> do >>>>>>> not have a diversified enough customer base to withstand a big >>>>>>> topline >>>>>> hit. >>>>>>> It is going to be interesting. The best thing for all of us would be >>>>>>> if >>>>>> all >>>>>>> those unused Leicas in China come on the used market at the same >>>>>>> time, as >>>>>>> herd behaviour takes hold, and cause a glut there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would look to a Leica IPO for Blackstone and Kaufmann to cash out >>>>>> sooner >>>>>>> rather than later, if growth in China keeps drifting down. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jayanand, >>>>>> >>>>>> jewelry for rich clients who don't use it, or who use it with minimal >>>>>> knowledge of its qualities and capabilities, makes the future sound >>>>>> rather >>>>>> ominous. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does this model predict in terms of future optical quality? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>> frozenlight.eu >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right. So Leica has made a strategic shift from the photography >>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>> to the jewelry business. Fair enough, the Blackstone people >>>>>>>> obviously >>>>>> know >>>>>>>> where the money is. But then they should be up front about it so >>>>>>>> that >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> photography dealers can switch their focus to companies that >>>>>>>> actually >>>>>> are >>>>>>>> interested in supplying photographers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Joseph Yao wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leica have been shipping sufficient quantities of the new M240. >>>>>>>>> They >>>>>> may >>>>>>>>> not have been sending them to their 'traditional' markets where >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> profit >>>>>>>>> margins are lower. You will see plenty of M240 in, for example, >>>>>> Beijing >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Shanghai, where the going rate for one is US$12,000 to US$13,000. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A handful of limited production silver chrome MM have been made >>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> Chinese market, and available at RMB 1,581,000 each, approx. >>>>>> US$258,280. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information