Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I agree. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>wrote: > Chris, you owe Tina an apology. > > Doug Herr > Birdman of Sacramento > http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > >Sent: Jul 1, 2013 6:10 PM > >To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org> > >Subject: Re: [Leica] Buying Leica..... > > > >Tina, > > > >This is a load of bullshit. I've used Olympus OM gear since I was a kid, > >and never had issues with soft edges, fringing, or chromatic aberration > >with the Zuiko lenses, and they have good Bokeh. Never had those problems > >with Pentax lenses either. If quality really mattered to you, you wouldn't > >bother with 35mm anyway. A cheap Mamiya 645 will blow away ANYTHING you > >shoot with Leica, no matter what Leica lens you use. I've shot both, and > >it is NO CONTEST. > > > >I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality > >difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business > >anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made > >good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons. > >If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your > >husband bought it for you. > > > >That's not a slam on your abilities, its the reality of what working > >photographers in Journalism earn now. I became a teacher because I got > >damned tired of being f--king poor. Teaching is one of the very few middle > >class jobs left here, and I still cannot afford a digital Leica on my pay. > >My starting pay in the Ft. Wayne school system is more than the > >photographers at our local papers earn, and all of them have been there > >for over 20 years! You think any of these working photographers shoot with > >Leica jewelry? Hell no. They shoot Nikon. > > > >You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of > >reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a > >business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just > >gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're > >a marketer's wet dream. > > > > > >-- > >Chris Crawford > >Fine Art Photography > >Fort Wayne, Indiana > >260-437-8990 > > > >http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > >http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > >Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > > > > > >On 7/1/13 7:58 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: > > > >>To me the camera matters. I've used other cameras. For stock or large > >>enlargements, you examine the files at 100%. There is no contest. I > hate > >>chromatic aberrations, fringing, soft edges, awful bokeh - all of which > >>you > >>get with other lenses and other cameras. With Leica cameras and Leica > >>lenses, I don't worry about 100% examinations. They are always good! > >> Sometimes great. If I'm going to spend my time and energy and money for > >>travel to take photos, I'm not going to take a chance on an inferior > >>camera > >>or lens. > >> > >>Tina > >> > >> > >>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Peter, > >>> > >>> I post pictures from my M9, my Olympus EP-1, my Pentax Kr, and my > >>>iPhone 5. > >>> > >>> The most pleasurable to use is the M9, but I do sometimes need AF, and > >>>thus > >>> the other three get some amount of use. > >>> > >>> The quality of the "three" is not there, but I've learned to use them > >>> appropriately, and with my editing eye, I can produce web postings that > >>> satisfy, but the high detail of the Leica files enable me to do things > >>>with > >>> flowers that just are not possible with the others. So, to me, the > >>>camera > >>> matters. (I could wish for live view and a tilting Electronic > >>>viewfinder > >>> though.) ;-) > >>> > >>> hmmm, (Sony?) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at > >>> summaventures.com > >>> >wrote: > >>> > >>> > All, > >>> > > >>> > At the end of the day, whether we are using Leica, Fuji or something > >>> else I > >>> > don't doubt that Uncle Doctor Ted would impatiently remind us that > >>>it's > >>> us > >>> > not > >>> > the cameras that take the photos, and that if we are any good anyway > >>>then > >>> > the > >>> > camera shouldn't matter a huge deal. > >>> > > >>> > Peter > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 26/06/2013 23:25, John McMaster wrote: > >>> > > I really wonder if I would have bought into Leica if I was buying > >>> > now..... I had not shot with nor knew anybody who owned one (I have > >>>owned > >>> > Canon, Nikon, Contax, Olympus, Hasselblad, LF etc and shot with a lot > >>> more, > >>> > all prime lenses etc) and thought the name was all image ;-) > >>> > > > >>> > > I was coming from an APS-C Nikon and was looking at Canon 5D II or > >>>M9, > >>> > at that time size (I knew I would not carry a DSLR) so went M9. If > the > >>> Fuji > >>> > series was on the market at the time would I have bought that? > >>> > > > >>> > >>From http://zackarias.com/blog/ > >>> > > > >>> > > "You see, for decades Leica was the shit for the traveling > >>>journalist, > >>> > street shooters, documentary photographers, etc. They are fantastic > >>> cameras > >>> > with an undeniable heritage. But here?s the deal. The folks who put > >>>Leica > >>> > on the map can?t afford them any longer. They are a boutique camera > >>> > company. The working stiff can?t shell out close to $10,000 for a > body > >>> and > >>> > a lens. Go price out 2 M?s, a 20mm ish lens, a 35mm, and a 75mm. Go > >>>price > >>> > that out. Then price out an x100s, an X-Pro1, and the Fuji 14mm, > 35mm, > >>> and > >>> > 60mm lens. You still haven?t spent the price of a single Leica body > >>>yet. > >>> > Let alone two of them. And glass." > >>> > > > >>> > > With hindsight I would still go Leica, nothing to touch the lenses > >>>for > >>> > different looks and I prefer the simpler operation, but if I had not > >>>used > >>> > them what would make me spend 'rather a lot' more on Leica than Fuji? > >>> Does > >>> > 'full frame' or the build quality make enough of a difference for the > >>> price > >>> > jump to most people? > >>> > > > >>> > > john > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Leica Users Group. > >>> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > > >>> > =========================================================== > >>> > Dr Peter Dzwig > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Leica Users Group. > >>> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Sonny > >>> http://sonc.com/look/ > >>> Natchitoches, Louisiana > >>> > >>> USA > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Tina Manley > >>http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Leica Users Group. > >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Leica Users Group. > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Regards, Sonny http://sonc.com/look/ Natchitoches, Louisiana USA