Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/09/11

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Subject: [Leica] S snapshots
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:14:48 -0500
References: <CE568CE8.105A8%mark@rabinergroup.com>

My Bessa T is stamped "VOIGTLANDER GERMANY Since 1756" as well as the Cosina 
Co, Ltd.

Jeffery


On Sep 11, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> On the box though...
> Its always the box..
> 
> 
> On 9/11/13 9:06 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
> 
>> My Bessa R2a is stamped "COSINA CO., LTD"  .  Voigtlander on the top, no
>> mention of Germany anywhere.
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> 
>> On 9/11/2013 7:58 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>> Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies 
>>> are
>>> stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading.
>>> 
>>> Jeffery
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the
>>>> background was they never wanted  to put their name on their own 
>>>> products
>>>> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad?  A Cosina SLR was a 
>>>> quite
>>>> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda  or Yashica. Nobody 
>>>> complained.
>>>> Nobody said "not don't use  your own name for gods sake use German ones
>>>> instead you'll make more money"
>>>> 
>>>> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss 
>>>> product
>>>> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the 
>>>> lack of
>>>> integrity behind the whole thing is  really just odd. I mean why use 
>>>> your
>>>> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific 
>>>>> shutter
>>>>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. 
>>>>> They
>>>>> did
>>>>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but 
>>>>> did. And
>>>>> in
>>>>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders 
>>>>> to
>>>>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", 
>>>>> they
>>>>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never
>>>>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen 
>>>>> Gandy's
>>>>> forums (RF or CVUG).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide.  Though I'm 
>>>>>> really a
>>>>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some
>>>>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was
>>>>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag 
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> reads like a house down payment.
>>>>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica 
>>>>>> from a
>>>>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing 
>>>>>> for me
>>>>>> all the time with digital.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the
>>>>>> consuming
>>>>>> masses.
>>>>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people 
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can 
>>>>>>> justify
>>>>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days,
>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the norm on the LUG.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they 
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't 
>>>>>>> involve
>>>>>>> Pentax,
>>>>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad
>>>>>>> combination.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>> Photographer
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
> 
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