Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/31

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Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:37:19 -0800
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Geoff Hopkinson OFFERED:
Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM


> Each with our own preferred methods for different scenarios. Just work 
> with
> what you have in any Leica body or any other I guess, just don't wish 
> extra
> stuff onto my next Leica ;-)
> ......I think I hear Ted entering the room....

Jeeeeeesh & I thought I was being so quiet! ;-) ;-)

HOWEVER?  Not possible when it comes to folks with Leica "death wishes " of 
what they'd like to see on "their" next Leica? Hey I have them also, not 
many! Just that mine has more to do with having the income to be able to 
afford one or two of them. SEE? KISS!

Read my lips softly:

"it ain't going to happen!!!! Some of you folks keep making death wishes!" 
get over it as 99.99 of what you wish for????????? IS NEVER GOING TO BE 
SEEN! By Leica? Maybe?

KISS!!!!!!!!!! If you own one or a dozen Leica bodies and lenses? Enjoy them 
today to the fullest extent of your emotional hearts and go about making 
them continue capturing  your visual magical moments. Then they stay fun to 
have and use with such  wonderful memories of long gone days, when we all 
could buy, yes with a bit of scrimping and saving? But we managed. Today? 
Don't waste brain power and wishes for this that and every other tweakable 
thing possible in buying a Leica. WHY? KISS?

Even if they came out with every conceivable wish we could come up with most 
of us couldn't, can't and never will be able to buy them anyway. :-(

So best advice for an up coming weekend? Hey you got a Leica? Load it up, 
take a deep breath put on your under wear and wooly socks and go out and let 
your visual emotions run wild and shoot your visual hearts out having fun 
with your loaded LEICA ready to rock n' roll having visual captured fun

Have a nice weekend all. ;-)

cheers,
Dr. ted :-)
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> On 31 January 2014 13:47, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> The point is, for street photos, a simple +1 lever is simple and works 
>> well
>> most of the time.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at 
>> earthlink.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Even if I'm sitting still my subjects are jumping in and out of 
>> > different
>> > lighting conditions with a wide variety of backgrounds.
>> >
>> > Auto exposure has not worked well for me unless the critter stays in 
>> > the
>> > same light as the background and is the same tonal value as the
>> background
>> > and if that's the case what's the advantage of auto exposure?
>> >
>> > Just more stuff I don't need to remember:
>> >
>> > Is the animal staying in the same light?  if so, is the meter going to 
>> > be
>> > fooled by the background?  if not then I can use auto exposure.  If 
>> > this
>> is
>> > where AE works, what's the point of it?
>> >
>> > Doug Herr
>> > Birdman of Sacramento
>> > http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> > >Sent: Jan 30, 2014 6:36 PM
>> > >To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> > >Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
>> > >
>> > >Different horses for courses. In a fast moving street situation,
>> > auto-stuff
>> > >is useful and one can learn exactly how much the meter is fooled. If 
>> > >you
>> > >are sitting around in one area or in areas where the exposure is
>> > relatively
>> > >similar, then of course manual is just fine.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Doug Herr <
>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >Or more precisely, the Leica large spot meter is a dumb, simple
>> system
>> > >> that
>> > >> >does exactly what a dumb system does, accurately and predictably.
>> What
>> > you
>> > >> >told it, not what you meant!  No training wheels ;-) ;-)
>> > >> >When you get the wrong result (as I do regularly) the error is not
>> > inside
>> > >> >the camera ;-) ;-) ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Exactly why I use manual exposure 100% of the time.  The light meter
>> is
>> > >> totally, predictably dumb.  I never have to guess what the meter is
>> > >> compensating for and guess how much compensation I need to reverse.
>> > >>
>> > >> Doug Herr
>> > >> Birdman of Sacramento
>> > >> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >--
>> > >// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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>> > >
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