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Subject: [Leica] Lluis' B&W tonality
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:57:38 -0800
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Ok!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 22, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Bob I see Barcelona as your perfect retirement present trip for the Adlers
> ;-)
> Since I've been lucky enough to spend some days with my good friend Lluis
> over some years, I think I can comment further on his 'magic'
> I have never met anyone who works so hard and consistently at his craft.
> That's nine tenths of his magic  The rest hardly matters.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> 
>> On 23 February 2014 11:58, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I know...
>> *sigh*
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:11 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob the very best way to absorb the instruction from Don Lluis is to walk
>>> and shoot with him all day in a superb city environment (with intervals
>> for
>>> delicious Catalan food) then sit over a beer in front of the computer
>> with
>>> Lluis. You need to go to Barcelona!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 21 February 2014 17:25, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Lluis. An excellent tutorial that gives a starting point to
>> us
>>>> novices who wish to develop our own processes.
>>>> You are very generous.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Lluis Ripoll <
>>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Susan, Gerry, Bob, Larry and others ... I really think I
>>> don't
>>>> deserve such mentions, I've saw after years the B&W of many of many of
>>> you
>>>> are sharing with us, everyone has his own style and I don't know if I
>> can
>>>> explain my workflow as a certain rule ... , IMHO is a question of the
>>>> personal preferences. Even so I can explain why I work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I normally work in manual mode and in digital I prefer a little under
>>>> exposure than over exposure. Usually I prefer use old lenses, IMHO they
>>>> give more medium tones and less crispy images to work. When I process
>> the
>>>> DNG I have certain "own" rules, I try to avoid or at least minimize the
>>>> extreme tones of the Dynamic Range, Absolute Black (Zone 0) and
>> absolute
>>>> white (Zone X), usually I start marking the white and the black points,
>>>> after I do a first arrangement using the extended Dynamic range that
>>> offer
>>>> Capture One (medium tones for shadow and lights), after this I work
>> with
>>>> the curve to obtain the contrast I want, finally I work on the
>> classical
>>>> controls of Exposure, Brilliance and Contrast an if it is necessary I
>>>> correct the previous values I've do. I edit the image in Photoshop and
>> I
>>>> click in to the Automatic levels, generally I accept what PS does. If
>> the
>>>> image is too flat I try to improve it with Silver Efex Pro.
>>>>> 
>>>>> IMHO Capture One is a great tool for work the B&W, it has different
>> B&W
>>>> presets, and I have also build mines. The same thing with Silver Efex
>>> Pro,
>>>> I've never use the standard presets, I've build some own presets, but
>>>> rarely they work for a new picture, I have to modify different things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I work I always take care of the histogram, and I try to cover
>> all
>>>> the range. Silver Efex Pro offer the histogram and the 10 zones, this
>> is
>>>> useful for me, I can better correct extreme Zones 0 and 10.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know if this can be interesting for you, I think is nothing
>>> new,
>>>> last Summer our friend Geoff was with me looking my workflow, I work by
>>> my
>>>> instinct and I think difficult made, as you say, a tutorial, this
>> sounds
>>>> for me too pretentious...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope have answered your question ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>>> Lluis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 19/02/2014, a las 16:49, lrzeitlin at aol.com escribi?:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lluis,
>>>>>> I am always impressed by the tonal quality you manage to achieve in
>>>> your B&W pictures. Especially when viewed on the new high resolution
>>> screen
>>>> of my Macbook Pro. We may differ on matters of composition and subject
>>>> selection but your B&W images are far superior to the bulk of those
>> shown
>>>> on the LUG. I mean no disrespect to other photographers but your
>> pictures
>>>> are in a class by themselves.? It can't all be the Leica Monocrom.? The
>>>> results are just as good with every camera you use, even old film
>>> cameras.
>>>> The big question is how do you do it??
>>>>>> Could you describe your workflow from shutter click to posting on
>> the
>>>> internet as a tutorial for less adept photographers. I would like to be
>>>> able to get your results in B&W images.
>>>>>> Larry Z
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>> --
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