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Subject: [Leica] Slightly OT: New Mac Pro for photo editing? Also whisk[e]y. -DAS
From: abridge at mac.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2014 20:51:34 -0700
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I?m looking at the same kind of decision you are. I?m going to MacWorld to 
ask a series of pointed questions for Drobo etc since the only way to expand 
the new Mac Pro is via Thunderbolt.

Right now, at the given state of software, the new iMac can be faster than 
the new Mac Pro. It has to do with clock speed, heat dissipation, and how 
Adobe software uses multiple cores and doesn?t use the GPU.

There?s a lot to read out there and some of it is conflicting, but it?s 
clear the sweet spot for Photoshop and Lightroom would use a CPU combination 
that Apple doesn?t currently offer. Go figure. But it?s not a surprise, 
really, the Mac Pro is first and foremost a video machine at which it 
performs brilliantly. If your software can make good use of those two GPUs 
you?re going to be in great shape.

Unfortunately Adobe doesn?t make good use of them, at least not in ways that 
photographers really want. That can change. It might be changing now. What I 
understand is that Adobe?s approach to GPU use isn?t optimum for the Mac 
world, better for the Windows space. Plus many of their GPU accelerated 
features just aren?t that big for us. I mean, when was the last time you 
used Liquify? But the wealth of sharpening features use only the CPU, not 
the GPU. And there are, by accounts, a lot of places where multi-threading 
isn?t used. So you are stuck with the throughput of a single core.

It gets complicated. Real complicated and I?m on the road, I?ve had a beer 
and I?m working on a glass of wine, maybe two, and we were nearly run over 
tonight so all my wits aren?t about me. 

I think we need an iteration of Apple hardware/software and Adobe software 
to make the Mac Pro do what it can. Apple needs to give us more CPU?s (not 
just cores) at a better sustainable clock speed. And Adobe needs to get 
religion, serious religion, about multi-threading. Please note: writing 
multi-threaded code is NOT trivial - it?s like managing one guy or splitting 
up things in a team and sending them off to different islands to work on 
their assignments, fitting it all together and making sure one person?s work 
doesn?t impinge on anthers. And did I mention that the project specs were 
just changed and you need to call some or all of them back to redo it? Or 
one of them? Non-trivial.

That said, on the hardware side, I?m hearing no issues with the FireWire - 
Thunderbolt stuff. Finding the right peripherals will take a while. Treat it 
as fun. I?m hoping that Drobo?s product is good so I can just take my 
current Drobo disks and plug them into the new housing and things will get 
MUCH faster. 

Sorry to be long-winded.

Adam



In reply to: Message from dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella) ([Leica] Slightly OT: New Mac Pro for photo editing? Also whisk[e]y. -DAS)