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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Protesting "The Mikado"
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 02:44:16 -0700
References: <53CA2F79.2030400@threshinc.com> <CFEFB07E.221A9%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I wasn't going to say anything because a) I consider Peter a friend, and b)
the last time I even remotely mentioned the "R" word, I left the Saloon for
4 months.

I am not a good debater, but lets just say that AFAIK, the play is not
being held in high esteem in the Chinese/Japanese communities.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> The issue is not how WE think about it but what the Asian people want.
> If Asian people in what appears to be as in some kind of consensus are
> giving the show it a thumbs down than its a play which is more that dated
> it
> should probably not be done.  I'm wondering how many if any were in the
> audience.
> Flower Drum Song we all thought was a great show but we started to figure
> it
> out earlier on realize  is was more than just benignly dated and its really
> no longer done any more. I just checked.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Drum_Song
> I still have my LP somewhere. Its about worn out. I can sing the whole show
> for you by heart every verse I'm pretty sure. But would be embarrassed to
> do
> it within earshot of an Asian friend.
> " Chop suey, chop suey!
> Good and bad, intelligent, mad, and screwy." that was  me singing.
> I'm going to have to stare at a whirling black cube.
> As much as I hate to say or think it the same might happen with "The
> Mikado"
> which I have also loved for decades and have recently seen in a slick
> production in Portland OR. And have often sung along to my CD's of it I
> have
> two different versions of much of it. And pretty  much have all the lyrics
> memorized.
> "IF  YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO WE AAARE" that was me singing just now. And is as
> far as I'm going to go.
> We just don't get to define other peoples identity issues. Only our own. I
> should speak for myself. We might decide tomorrow that "white people" is
> offensive to our ears and we want to be called the "evil beige people". I'm
> sure it would catch on with no controversy.
>
> About decade or so ago black people decided in a kind of consensus that
> they
> didn't what to be called black people any more.  The wanted to go with the
> term "African Americans" Lots of white people had big opinions about it on
> tv news shows  but in the end everyone knew it was just now up to us. It
> was
> up to them.  Turns out the term is still used but way less often. Whoopi
> Goldberg said she was not going to change. Nobody wants to mess with her.
> That could be it.
>
>
> On 7/19/14 4:42 AM, "Peter A. Klein" <pklein at threshinc.com> wrote:
>
> > This pair was protesting and handing out leaflets in front of the
> > Seattle Gilbert and Sullivan Society's production of "The Mikado," which
> > they regard as "Yellowface" and racist. I accepted their leaflets, but
> > when I took out my camera, they concealed their faces.
> > <https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563 at N04/14689190055/>
> >
> > On Monday, a Seattle Times opinion page editor slammed the production,
> > which she hadn't seen. This was followed by two radio interviews in
> > which she repeated her charges of "Yellowface" and racism. An Internet
> > flamefest followed, including calls for a boycott and shutting down the
> > show. There were fears that the performance would be disrupted, but that
> > didn't happen Friday night, and only these two showed up.
> >
> > If you're interested in reading more about what's going on, Google these
> > words: seattle mikado gilbert sullivan.  You'll find all the relevant
> > stuff on the first two pages.
> >
> > Full disclosure:  Yours truly is not unbiased. I love Gilbert and
> > Sullivan, I love "The Mikado," and I played bassoon in the company back
> > in the 1980s.  If this were a realistic play with Asian characters being
> > played by whites and/or mugging offensive stereotypes, I would be
> > sympathetic to the concerns. But that's not what "The Mikado" is. It's
> > Brits (or Americans) playing Brits playing dress-up, but mostly acting
> > like caricatures of upper-class Brits of 130 years ago.  Nobody wears
> > Asian-style makeup, except for Katisha (the fearsome contralto
> > character), who is made-up Kabuki-style. The G&S Society has a tradition
> > of color-blind casting. No Asian-Americans auditioned for this show,
> > there are 38 Caucasians and 2 Hispanics on stage. There are several
> > Asian-Americans on the stage crew, one in the orchestra pit (a friend of
> > mine), and one on the society's Board of Trustees.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >
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In reply to: Message from pklein at threshinc.com (Peter Klein) ([Leica] IMG: Protesting "The Mikado")
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