[Leica] Mikado outrage

[lrzeitlin at aol.com (lrzeitlin at aol.com)]

Lighten up Geoff.
You must have forgotten the LUG comments of a few years ago when just 
about every nubile female, and some not so nubile, was referred to as a 
seniorita by Luggers without a trace of Spanish blood. It was both 
diminishing and demeaning. English speakers should refer to women as 
"women" not as broads, skirts, crumpets, or other less printable terms. 
If Lluis want to call a woman a senorita when writing in Spanish, that 
is his right but no more your or my right than speaking of him as a 
Spic. You may call it politically correct but I call it good manners. 
You wouldn't call all those lovely women you photograph "senioritas" 
would you?

Interestingly I like the Mikado, Trial by Jury, Ruddigore, and the 
Pirates of Penzance. I don't even hate the English for screwing up the 
Middle East after WW1. And I make it a point to watch Crocodile Dundee 
and Road Warrior on TV to get a real understanding of Australia today.

Larry Z

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On 20 July 2014 22:16, Larry Zeitlin via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

Richard writes:
the play(Mikado) is not
being held in high esteem in the Chinese/Japanese communities.
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Well at least few on the LUG now refer to women as "senoritas." That is
BOTH racist and sexist.
Larry Z

On 20 Jul 2014, at 15:07, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

In your opinion you mean Larry? Do you speak for the people in Spain or
Catalonia or Spanish speaking countries and presume to know what it 
means
to them or are you viewing through the prism of what you think that some
of
the US population considers it means or how you use it?
I just don't get this whole intolerance and sensitivity thing 
personally.
I always thought of Gilbert and Sullivan as light opera with English
style
from the time. I have enjoyed it while being by no means an expert.
Shall
we also condemn everything that doesn't fit the current era and 
political
correctness perhaps?


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
wrote:

This, unfortunately, is the Zeitgeist, yes. Rather than doing something
about society's real problems, the upper classes engage in feel-good PC
exercises, such as this, or making a football team change its name, etc.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM, H&ECummer <cummer at netvigator.com> 
wrote:

Peter,
I think your letter strikes exactly the right tone.
Very well done!
Howard
(whose Chinese nickname is Da Hu Dz - Big Beard - no stereotypes 
there:-))

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:30:53 -0700
From: Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com>
To: lug <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Protesting "The Mikado"

I'm don't want to get into a debate here. Frankly, after following the
Internet sh*tstorm around this all week, I'm tired. ?:-) ?Here's my POV,
and then y'all can discuss whatever you like.

Here's the article that started it:
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http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2024050056_mikadosharonpianchancolumn14xml.html


Here's what I posted on the Seattle Times' comments to Ms. Chan's
article. It's the middle of the three featured comments:
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http://discussions.seattletimes.com/comments/2024050056/#lf_comment=188372882