Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/12/03

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Subject: [Leica] Kodak Chemistry going forward
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:28:50 -0500

Yes it does and I used it at 1:3 to make sure of that.
Will be interested to see though at least for me how the Metol/phenidone
might look instead. But coming from me I may never know I'll be seeing it
from others.

p-Methylaminophenol sulfate
HOC6H4NH2(CH3)]HSO4
Known as:
Elon
Genol 
Graphol 
p-Hydroxymethylaniline Sulfate
Methylaminophenol Sulfate
Metol 
Monomethyl-p-Amino-Phenol Sulfate
Monol 
Pertol 
Photol 
Photo-Rex 
Pictol 
Planetol 
Rhodol 
Satrapol 
Scalol 
Vera


Woof!



On 12/3/14 3:25 PM, "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:

> XTOL/MYTOL both create good adjacency effects at higher dilutions, same as
> D76.
> 
> 
> -Lew Schwartz
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> The reason why I'd really look forward to trying the D76 with ascorbic 
>> acid
>> is the Metol used instead of Phenidone.
>> Xtol is not a pushing formula you are using the iso number on your box of
>> film. Same as D76 for the most part.
>> Metol I prefer to Phenidone because its a sharper and more clearer looking
>> developer than Phenidone. Much better adjacency effects. Good ones.
>> So if Xtol goes under you can mix up your own with Phenidone or Metol/Elon
>> whatever you want. I'd go with the latter. Or at least try it. The water 
>> in
>> NY has a varied history.
>> 
>> Xtol has been a miracle paradigm shifter for darkroom work. But its 
>> miracle
>> mainly is the use of acerbic acid as a developing agent. And that can be
>> applied to a lot of different pre existing formulas even ones not based on
>> Phenidone.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/3/14 2:13 PM, "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The phenidone in XTOL affords a reliably higher iso than D76 type
>>> developers (at the cost of pushability), plus you can replenish XTOL with
>>> more XTOL. The same is true for the published MYTOL formulas. I used the
>>> same 1gal of XTOL, replenished for each roll of film, for over a year
>>> before I started digital. It was still working just fine when I dumped
>> it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Lew Schwartz
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you added a tap of ascorbic acid (vitamins C) as a friend of mine
>> did to
>>>> just mixed up D76 1:1 you'd find the results not that far from Xtol and
>>>> maybe even better. Actually a lot of people did this. Still doing it
>> maybe.
>>>> Xtol without the fear.
>>>> If your ascorbic acid (maybe just get some in powder from either from a
>>>> drugstore or a photo place) is a little chunky looking as in not fully
>>>> dissolved I'd not worry about it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/3/14 12:12 PM, "Lew Schwartz" <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As I get ready to resume darkroom work, I'm looking to mix up my
>>>> favorite,
>>>>> XTOL. I'm apprehensive that it's availability is uncertain due to the
>>>>> bankruptcy. I'm surprised, however, not to find any concern about this
>>>>> anywhere. Has Kodak assured us that the photo chemical division is
>> alive
>>>> &
>>>>> well going forward?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Lew Schwartz
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Photographer
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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