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Subject: [Leica] Film Developing
From: dennis.leicam6 at gmail.com (Dennis Kushner)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:30:55 -0500
References: <54EFBA5D.3000100@summaventures.com> <D1155481.33C9F%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Ilford tech data says that XP2 lasts about 15 years before deteriorating.





On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
wrote:

> The Kodak had the deep orange base to it that all the full color color neg
> films has which made it easy to print color and for the one hour photo
> machines to print black and white. But that orange base made it murder to
> print with an enlarger because the orange base was like a safelight. The
> enlarging times took forever.
> The Ilford xp1 then xp2 though did not have that heavy orange base so could
> be printed nicely in a normal darkroom with a normal enlarger.
> So all the people I know went for the Ilford for that reason. Most of them
> had darkrooms or when to our rental place. U Develop on Barbour Blvd. in
> Portland Oregon.
>
> On 2/26/15 7:29 PM, "Peter Dzwig" <pdzwig at summaventures.com> wrote:
>
> > I had been told that BW400CN was unavailable too. In fact I bought a few
> rolls
> > for old time's sake.
> >
> > But you are right there are some on Amazon. Be careful though. I saw one
> at
> > roughly the standard price, but the shipping (from Germany) doubled the
> price
> > -
> > and they only have one left.
> >
> > Ilford XP2 is certainly a very plausible alternative. For a high contract
> > comparison see:
> >
> > <
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/album230/album284/Camelot_1200510
> > 10.jpg.html>
> >
> > and
> >
> > <
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/album230/album284/Camelot_2XP2200
> > 51010.jpg.html>
> >
> > from a time I was comparing them.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 26/02/2015 03:03, Sonny Carter wrote:
> >> Kodak BW CN is still available.  You can buy it from B&H, or Amazon.
> >>
> >> from my iPad
> >>
> >> Sonny Carter
> >>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kodak stopped making their chromogenic black and white film (what this
> is
> >>> called) a few years ago but Ilford still makes XP2 which I've used this
> >>> decade to shoot film. It's embarrassingly good.  Its made of  dye
> instead of
> >>> silver but how would you know? You can be all into darkroom chemistry
> and
> >>> developing and be lucky to approach it with regular black and white
> films
> >>> rated at 400. It seems to have the grain and sharpness of 100 films.
> >>> As far as archivalness goes regular black and white film seems to last
> >>> forever with a bit of care and luck but color neg always had a bad rep.
> >>> The reason was when you brought it back into the darkroom again to make
> >>> another print from a neg you'd printed before you count often not
> match the
> >>> preceding print. The various color layers faded not at the same rate so
> >>> you'd get color crossover. And there was no way to make a real good
> print.
> >>> This did not take years to take place but months and even weeks and
> some
> >>> color custom printers have told me days but I didn't see it with my own
> >>> eyes.
> >>>
> >>> XP2 only has one layer so if it fades a few percentage points you can
> just
> >>> add some contrast and probably match a print you'd made with it was
> fresh.
> >>> All my Xp2 I've shot for decades still looks good and I'd expect would
> print
> >>> perfectly. Certainly scan perfectly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/25/15 8:11 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I can second that.  Ilford and Kodak make b&w films for C41 processing
> >>>> (WalMart, Walgreen etc.), and in my experience they scan better than
> >>>> conventional negatives.  A downside is that they are shorter-lived,
> but
> >>>> in theory at least they are forever once scanned.  Or, absent
> scanning,
> >>>> as a long-time client of mine once said, at my age I don't buy green
> >>>> bananas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/25/2015 5:08 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
> >>>>> Have you checked Walgreen's?  Most of them still run C41, and you
> show
> >>>>> three
> >>>>> stores in town.  Check the one on Houston hwy, since it is close to
> UH.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> don't love their scans (at least at mine) but they do a good job of
> >>>>> processing, and I do lots of small prints up to 8x10 there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from my iPad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sonny Carter
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Bill Clough <
> billclough042541 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> USA
> >>>>>> TEXAS
> >>>>>> VICTORIA
> >>>>>> 25 February 2015
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi there--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Never occurred to me--until now--to look through the Leica M's
> >>>>>> viewfinder after cataract surgery. To my surprise, I now can frame
> and
> >>>>>> focus again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   I have source for film but even the local drug stores no longer
> are
> >>>>>> processing film.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   I still have the kinder man tanks but would like to avoid all
> that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   I'm open to any suggestions about where 35mm film still is
> processed
> >>>>>> professionally.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Reply here are offline--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Thanks--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Bill
> >>>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>>
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