Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/03/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I suspect the monitor. Which one are you using? Ken On 3/1/2015 6:42 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: > With the monitor set down that low, I can barely see the controls. I'm also > miffed that Adobe hasn't provided a simple fix. It'd consist of "print time > presets," corrections that would be sent along with an image to the > printer, but which wouldn't interfere with what you see while you're > editing. > > I might just try letting the print driver do s bw or two, just to see. > > > -Lew Schwartz > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > >> Not sure I can add much here. I keep my monitor (Dell U2410, Spyder Pro >> calibrated for room light and color) at a brightness and contrast setting >> of 11/50 and keep the room lighting consistent. I think the default >> brightness is 50 which is too much and 100 is like looking into a >> searchlight. To print (in Photoshop) I make a duplicate image and set >> them >> side by side on the monitor, then load the paper profile for the >> duplicate. This gives a sense of how to adjust the duplicate for >> printing. Usually it is just a slight brightness increase with the curves >> tool, and sometimes a small saturation bump. To print, the Epson panel is >> set to "Photoshop manages colors" and the same paper profile is selected. >> The print is a good match to the monitor unless the viewing conditions are >> extreme. I say a "good" match since I don't think it is possible to have >> a >> perfect match with one source backlit and the other with reflected light. >> I don't use LR for printing but the process is similar with the LR soft >> proofing mode. >> >> That is for color. With B&W using Epson Advanced B&W or a RIP so far as I >> know there is not an easy way to soft proof. However, after a while I can >> usually make an educated guess. I used to use the ImagePrint RIP for B&W. >> It is excellent but I'm pretty happy with the Epson driver now. >> >> Ken >> >> On 3/1/2015 4:28 PM, Robert Adler wrote: >> >>> I now have 2 monitors: I have one darkened to match print output (I am >>> actually trying to have a different profile on that monitor for the paper >>> that I use) and one to work on for web viewing. I initially process for >>> web >>> viewing. I find that most times a simple pulling up on the middle of the >>> curve adjustment in CC or LR works just fine for prints. Sometimes it >>> gets >>> more complicated. >>> Bob >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Similar. I noticed that, too. No matter how I calibrate the monitor, >>>> the >>>> prints are always darker than the monitor. Whether I was printing >>>> myself, >>>> or using Costso. Since two outputs were giving me the same results, my >>>> input must be at fault. So, then, I learned a few years ago to turn the >>>> monitor down. I downloaded Color HCFR and got it to work with my Spyder >>>> and found out the monitor was WAY to bright. The profile software for >>>> Spyder did not adjust the monitor brightness. I had to turn my monitor >>>> (Dell 1224 IPS) down to 17 to get to the recommended brightness. It >>>> looks >>>> pretty dark compared to my other monitor, but it works. Prints are dead >>>> on >>>> from monitor to my printer (R3000) or to Costco. The trend in consumer >>>> monitors seems to be bright and saturated, but that does not translate >>>> to a >>>> standard print file, evidentially. >>>> >>>> so, try getting the HCFR Colorimeter program and see if you can get it >>>> to >>>> work on your Monki. The crank that monitor brightness down. >>>> >>>> Aram >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:02 PM >>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally, I don't think your missing anything Lew. Even though >>>> these >>>> >>>>> calibrations are supposed to calibrate for "luminance", I tend to turn >>>>> my >>>>> monitor down 2-4 stops to match a standard calibration chart that I've >>>>> printed on my printer. Then I adjust in CC or LR on a monitor that has >>>>> been >>>>> darkened by the above process. Seems really dumb, but it works... >>>>> Best, >>>>> Bob >>>>> PS-Please let me know if you find out differently! >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm printing on Epson Proofing, using LR 5.7, Epson 4880, ViewSonic >>>>> >>>>>> monitor >>>>>> and I've just re-profiled monitor and printer using colormunki, plus I >>>>>> confirm that both monitor and printer are using the new profiles. The >>>>>> resulting prints are aprox 2- 4 stops too dark. Too dark is an on >>>>>> going >>>>>> problem for me, LR, the 4880 and this monitor; I expected things to >>>>>> get >>>>>> better after the colormunki stuff. I've just been winging a solution >>>>>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>> past by using the exposure control in the LR develop module and the >>>>>> brightness setting in the print module. Not a great solution, but >>>>>> workable. >>>>>> Now, with these new profiles, I'm not even close. WTF? Things are way >>>>>> worse. What am I missing? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lew Schwartz >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bob Adler >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information