Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/03/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Viewing via web and printing are two completely different animals. I live by my histogram when shooting. I can recover black much more easily than whites. This shot from the recent trip to Big Sur has an amazing dynamic range (click the image for a larger view): http://www.robertadlerphotography.com/p463316036/h1f8277d1#h1f8277d1 I don't miss Velvia AT ALL!! Printing is a whole different set of horses. Less color to play with and highly dependent on the "white" values of the paper. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > When I'm out shooting with many people some of whom I meet here they check > the back of their camera having just made a shot and its well over a stop > over washed out and they go "looks perfect" and they're on to to the next > subject. So its gotten so I think its human nature to think that stuff > which > is light is normal. But I do wonder how they print and the answer is they > don't. > But I do see a whole lot of light washed out (no blacks) images on web > galleries and websites. Its not my monitor as I also see plenty of spot on > images from very mainstream well thought of websites... Famous photogs etc. > > > On 3/1/15 6:09 PM, "leo wesson" <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, it ain't supposed to work that way. Ya'll are doing something > wrong. > > > > Leo Wesson > > leowesson.com > > > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 16:28, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I now have 2 monitors: I have one darkened to match print output (I am > >> actually trying to have a different profile on that monitor for the > paper > >> that I use) and one to work on for web viewing. I initially process for > web > >> viewing. I find that most times a simple pulling up on the middle of the > >> curve adjustment in CC or LR works just fine for prints. Sometimes it > gets > >> more complicated. > >> Bob > >> > >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Similar. I noticed that, too. No matter how I calibrate the monitor, > the > >>> prints are always darker than the monitor. Whether I was printing > myself, > >>> or using Costso. Since two outputs were giving me the same results, my > >>> input must be at fault. So, then, I learned a few years ago to turn > the > >>> monitor down. I downloaded Color HCFR and got it to work with my > Spyder > >>> and found out the monitor was WAY to bright. The profile software for > >>> Spyder did not adjust the monitor brightness. I had to turn my monitor > >>> (Dell 1224 IPS) down to 17 to get to the recommended brightness. It > looks > >>> pretty dark compared to my other monitor, but it works. Prints are > dead on > >>> from monitor to my printer (R3000) or to Costco. The trend in consumer > >>> monitors seems to be bright and saturated, but that does not translate > to a > >>> standard print file, evidentially. > >>> > >>> so, try getting the HCFR Colorimeter program and see if you can get it > to > >>> work on your Monki. The crank that monitor brightness down. > >>> > >>> Aram > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:02 PM > >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction > >>> > >>> > >>> Personally, I don't think your missing anything Lew. Even though these > >>>> calibrations are supposed to calibrate for "luminance", I tend to > turn my > >>>> monitor down 2-4 stops to match a standard calibration chart that I've > >>>> printed on my printer. Then I adjust in CC or LR on a monitor that has > >>>> been > >>>> darkened by the above process. Seems really dumb, but it works... > >>>> Best, > >>>> Bob > >>>> PS-Please let me know if you find out differently! > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I'm printing on Epson Proofing, using LR 5.7, Epson 4880, ViewSonic > >>>>> monitor > >>>>> and I've just re-profiled monitor and printer using colormunki, plus > I > >>>>> confirm that both monitor and printer are using the new profiles. The > >>>>> resulting prints are aprox 2- 4 stops too dark. Too dark is an on > going > >>>>> problem for me, LR, the 4880 and this monitor; I expected things to > get > >>>>> better after the colormunki stuff. I've just been winging a solution > in > >>>>> the > >>>>> past by using the exposure control in the LR develop module and the > >>>>> brightness setting in the print module. Not a great solution, but > >>>>> workable. > >>>>> Now, with these new profiles, I'm not even close. WTF? Things are way > >>>>> worse. What am I missing? > >>>>> > >>>>> -Lew Schwartz > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Bob Adler > >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Bob Adler > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Bob Adler www.robertadlerphotography.com