Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The high horses seem to be stampeding in the Big Apple.... Douglas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files > Christopher 8 bit is when you develop your Tri x in Dektol Paper developer > because you're in a hurry and you don't care. You just need to make out > aunt > Martha's face in the print and you don't feel like going to the camera > store > and get more darkroom stuff. > 12 bit is when you develop it in Plain Vanilla D76 1:1. Its a bit of a > default. A lot of film has been developed in D76 1:1. > 14 bit is when you develop it in a better developer for acutance and long > range tonality like Rodinal 1:100 or 1:75 or Xtol 1:3. > It means you care enough to check out better options to the Norm. > Not sure who Norm is. > > > > On 5/6/15 10:39 AM, "Christopher Saganich" <csaganich at gmail.com> wrote: > >> My fault for finding this tragedy a bit amusing. >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> They could give you the option which is common and I have with my D700 >>> of >>> 12-bit vs. 14-bit so you can go for speed or quality. I always have it >>> set >>> for all thing quality. >>> >>> Richard thanks on that I knew bit depth was not dependent on format it >>> just >>> struck me that the medium format backs give you larger bit depth options >>> typically. Like 16 bits (65,536 levels per channel). I don't think >>> there >>> is >>> 16 bits in 24x26 ff. >>> >>> >>> On 5/5/15 11:10 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Wouldn't it also affect write speeds? What if Leica puts more value on >>>> speed than on bit depths? >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> >>>> On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote: >>>>> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than >>> anything >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> Doug Herr >>>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files >>>>>> >>>>>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good >>> enough >>>>>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format >>> sensor, and >>>>>> vice versa. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical >>> merits. >>>>>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost >>> certainly >>>>>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but >>>>>>> medium >>>>>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion... >>>>>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner >>>>>>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side >>> by >>>>>>> side >>>>>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit >>> and the >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid. >>>>>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be >>> and >>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> they are put in place. >>>>>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three? >>> (RGB) >>>>>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be in the pudding and they've >>> already see >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> tasted the pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around >>> to it. >>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large >>> glowing >>>>>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing >>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A >>> longer >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>> to get there is: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the >>> new >>>>>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums. >>>>>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link >>>>>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour < >>> steve.barbour at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available >>>>>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how..... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tina >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler >>>>>>>>>>>> <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post >>>>>>> 63 >>>>>>>>>>> 9690 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>> Photographer >>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> Photographer >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto >>>>>> // https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >