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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Back from shopping
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 22:18:02 -0700
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Your reasoning certainly strikes a chord in my heart and wallet!

Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Peter Klein <boulanger.croissant at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> George: I picked up the MM a few days ago. I'm still learning. I'd had a
> chance to try Jay Burleson's MM last December (thanks, Jay!). Plus I've
> looked at a lot of pictures and files, and read lots of reviews by people I
> respect. All of which convinced me that this was the camera for me. Thanks
> to the release of the M246, people started upgrading, MM prices dropped
> from [expletive] insane to merely expensive, and it was time for Peter to
> get one.
> 
> The image quality is superb. I've made very nice B&W out of M8 files, but
> this is on a whole different level. The dynamic range is significantly
> wider than the other CCD digital Ms. The shutter is quieter than my M8. ISO
> 320 and 640 are virtually grainless. 1250 has a little texture, but less
> than most films, and even 2500 is less grainy than Tri-X. At 2500 and
> above, you do see grain, but it's like fine pepper rather than coarse
> sandpaper. No degradation from Bayer interpolation. 5000 is quite usable,
> like Tri-X in Accufine. 10,000 is pushing it, but still usable in a pinch.
> 
> 
> The MM handles just like the M8 or M9. The files are flatter out of the
> camera, so they usually need some sort of S-curve (or at least a shoulder
> in the high values). The flexibility is amazing. You can take a picture
> where the shadow values look almost black out of the camera, then dodge
> them up to near medium values, and it looks great.
> 
> The DNG files are big. 34.7 megs big. This is actually a good thing,
> because they are not compressed. Having seen the difference between
> uncompressed raw and compressed DNG in my M8, I'll deal with the size. It
> matters a great deal at higher ISOs. This does mean that if you take four
> or five shots in quick succession, the buffer fills up, and you can't shoot
> until it clears sufficiently.
> 
> I've shot a bit with a yellow filter, and a bit with no filter. Nothing
> conclusive yet. Other people have reported good results, typical of what we
> got with film, using green, orange, and red. Some have reported that the MM
> with no filter is like film with the yellow filter.
> 
> A big disappointment of both the M8 and M9 was that they were not true
> available light cameras. A skilled person could make them work that way,
> but it was a stretch. So half the reason that people historically bought
> Leicas was missing. The MM doesn't have color, but it has the available
> light chops as well as the resolution for the Panatomic-X and tripod crowd.
> 
> It's nice to do available light with some depth of field. All my 50 mm
> lenses are begging to go out and play.
> 
> Black-and-white is my first photographic love. I look forward to
> re-exploring it with such a fine tool.
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 1, 2015, George Lottermoser <george.imagist at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Peter Klein wrote:
>>> 
>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563 at N04/18253781151/>
>>> 
>>> Leica MM (yeah!), 50/2 tabbed Summicron
>> 
>> nice snap
>> 
>> when did the MM land in your hands?
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> your thoughts on the camera and image files?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> 
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
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