Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/11/25

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Subject: [Leica] XP-2
From: billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:22:50 -0600
References: <7318276C-5BBB-401D-AACF-6951B6D3A767@comcast.net> <CAJ3Pgh78ucJd4Z-V2XjvPtZ8ygHV9jqYd22Snz9gZP3UmhpJ1w@mail.gmail.com> <lurA1r00607g8Sg01urBnE>

No you're missing out on the meaningless bullshit. It's like guys that think 
their stereo sounds better with a $500 power cord from the amp to the wall, 
but are clueless about the wires from the wall to the breaker box to the 
street. It's like the monks arguing over the number of angels on the head of 
a pin. I was just thinking, as I read the business about Samsung exiting the 
camera business how things have changed. I think that today you can get 
results from FF/APS/MFT that are more than good enough for anyone.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dante Stella
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:48 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] XP-2

Does a 1/3 stop even make a difference? Or is 320 a lucky number that people 
remember from TXP120? Serious question.

I see references everywhere to rating 400 film of various types at 320, and 
it seems a bit strange because few film cameras are accurate and consistent 
enough to predict a blanket rule with an almost insignificant amount of 
overexposure. Virtually anything with a leaf shutter is already overexposing 
by at least that much -- meaning that "320" really means 250, and 2/3 stop 
is much more noticeable than 1/3. And with all mechanical shutters, each 
speed can have a different error in a different direction. The other thing 
is that C-41 processing, at least commercial processing, is not that 
consistent either.

And having put a densitometer to silver negatives exposed at one-third stop 
increments with very accurate electronic shutters, it does not tend to drag 
meaningful detail out of the toe. And it makes zero difference to tones on a 
straight-line film like TMY. Maybe things are different with XP2, but even 
eyeballing its curve, it seems doubtful that (an actual) 1/3 stop would do 
very much.

Or maybe I'm missing the magic here? I take the suggestion seriously coming 
from you, but it still seems slightly superstitious.

Best,
Dante

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Overexposure lowers grain but also lowers contrast.  I used 320 most.  You
> can use the typical negative film approach -- expose for the shadows and
> let the highlights go where they may.  It's hard to burn them out with 
> that
> film.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Bryk Oliver <oliverbryk at comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> How should I rate XP-2 if none of the images will be printed?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice based on experience,
>>
>> Oliver
>>
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