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Subject: [Leica] sensor corrosion
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:56:07 -0800
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> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:45 PM, lluisripollphotography 
>> <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tina and all members,
>> 
>> It is really complicated have information from the Leica website, I went 
>> to the LFI Forum and it is announced the 1st September 2015 the 
>> replacement for M9 sensors, not yet for the MM, on this announcement 
>> there is a source, you click there and you obtain the Official Leica 
>> announcement, where they are talking about NEW sensors for the M9:
>> 
>> <http://en.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor>
>> 
>> However, a friend said me that the same thing has been announced about 
>> one or two months ago for the MM, even that Leica has said that they have 
>> a delay of 4 months replacing the sensors, the interested persons shall 
>> ask Leica to give them a reference number and date to send the cameras.
>> 
>> After this mail I will try to search the announcement for the MM





thank you very much for trying Lluis.


steve


> 
> 
> 
> you heard about all the monkees, randomly pounding on their typewriters. 
> Eventually they may get a novel written, but I doubt that they will manage 
> to get a coherent leica policy.
> 
> 
> steve
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 13 mar? 2016, a les 0:53, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> va 
>>> escriure:
>>> 
>>> Lluis -
>>> 
>>> This is the latest news I can find on Leica's site:
>>> 
>>> https://us.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Latest-information-CCD-sensors
>>> 
>>> Maybe they have finished all of the testing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:01 PM, lluisripollphotography <
>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know the new replaced sensors for the M9 and MM will be not
>>>> affected by corrosion. The new sensor for the M9 was announced maybe 10
>>>> months ago, and the new sensor for the MM has been announced about one 
>>>> or
>>>> two months ago, it was more difficult develop the new one for the MM and
>>>> for this reason it has appeared later.
>>>> 
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> El 12 mar? 2016, a les 22:47, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> va
>>>> escriure:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm right:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have now identified the problem and are currently concentrating our
>>>>> efforts on finding a permanent technical solution. The marks on images
>>>>> mentioned earlier are related to the properties of the CCD sensor. The
>>>>> sensors are equipped with a specially coated IR filter cover glass to
>>>>> ensure optimum imaging performance. Should this coating layer be 
>>>>> damaged,
>>>>> corrosion effects that alter the filter surface may begin to appear 
>>>>> after
>>>>> several years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The effect described does not affect the CMOS sensor of the Leica M 
>>>>> (Typ
>>>>> 240). Should you be considering an upgrade from your camera to a Leica 
>>>>> M
>>>> or
>>>>> M-P (Typ 240), Customer Care would be pleased to make you an attractive
>>>>> offer following a check of your camera and under consideration of the
>>>> model
>>>>> and its age.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think so.  I think the new sensor is in the M240 and doesn't
>>>> apply
>>>>>> to the M9.  My understanding is that they will keep replacing the
>>>> sensors
>>>>>> for the M9 as long as they fail but they are still subject to
>>>> corrosion.  I
>>>>>> could be wrong, though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at 
>>>>>> mac.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was under the impression that with the M9 they were now replacing 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sensor with the long awaited "new" one developed rather than the same
>>>>>>> sensor???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They will replace the sensor for free or give you an upgrade to the
>>>>>>> M240 and/or the M246. Replacing the sensor runs the risk of corrosion
>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
>>>>>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I finally woke up to the possibility that this may be an issue with
>>>> my
>>>>>>> M9 and my M monochrome. Bob Adler has been very kind in helping with
>>>> some
>>>>>>> of the issues, and answering my questions.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has this been a common problem? Can one search for damage with a
>>>> slate
>>>>>>> grey sky instead of blue? What sort of refund can one expect if 
>>>>>>> damage
>>>> is
>>>>>>> found? I assume the 246 is the trade in option for the monochrome,
>>>> what is
>>>>>>> the trade in option for the M9?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other observations and your thoughts are appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> many thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group.
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>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tina Manley
>>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Manley
>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>>> 
>>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tina Manley
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
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>> 
>> 
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