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Subject: [Leica] Leica lenses on Fuji X Pro 1 Vs Sony A7
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:31:50 -0800
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You are looking directly at the image sensor output.  If focus shifting (
the change of focus plane with change of aperture) is a consideration, then
check your focus again AFTER you set taking aperture and make final SMALL
adjustments.
There are only a few lenses that focus shifting is a consideration..... the
35 Lux FLE ( first version ) is one of them. Other lenses were not designed
to have this problem and therefore do not worry using them.... ( 50 LUX
ASPH)

I should mention that even with a Digi-Leica camera body, focus shifting is
an issue.  It is inherent in the specific lens design.  There is no camera
body based fix possible.  With a EVF,  you have the ability to correct
it....  
Using more DOF ( smaller aperture) will help mask this error source.
Your other choice is to not use focus shifting lenses.....  or suffer trying
to get really sharp focus on your subject by focusing initially at shooting
aperture, which will be frustrating, especially at F32 ( for example).

At F1.0 a Nocti is easy to set at precise focus using my technique. The
correct focus plane POPS into focus.  Trying this at smaller aperture, the
focus plane can be found, but it is not as obvious nor does it POP into
focus.
This is all a lot of verbiage.  If you try it with a real camera and lens,
you will find how easy and accurately it works.  

This method is slooooooow.  It is however, more accurate than the Digi-M you
might be using, or your AF Nikon, Canon or Leica SL  body in AF or MF mode.

AND when your M9 camera breaks on day 8 of your 42 day trip to Canada, it is
a photographic life saver. 

Do you want to use it on every shot you ever take in the future?  Including
your 3 year old grandkids who move like whirlwinds?  Probably not the right
tool.

Frank Filippone

Red735i at verizon.net


-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
Behalf
Of RicCarter
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:43 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica lenses on Fuji X Pro 1 Vs Sony A7

no problems with focus shifting?

ric


> On Jan 26, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Same advice for the Fuji X Pro 1 or the Sony A7
> 
> Turn OFF the focus peaking.  You will need to hit the magnified image 
> button a few times to get the x10 enlarged image.  Focus WITHOUT 
> touching the shutter button ( which, when touched, shuts OFF the enlarged
image).
> Focus like you were using a ground glass.... and WIDE OPEN>>>>>  If 
> you try to focus with the lens set for F32 you will have difficulty 
> because there is so much DOF. ( If you have a Noctilux, try that lens 
> first.....it will give you confidence....)
> 
> Methodology.....
> Open lens to Max Aperture ( F1.0, for instance)  ( Do NOT cheat on 
> this
> step....!)
> Start focus regimen... enlarge the VF image by pressing appropriate 
> button..... look in EVF and focus as if it were a ground glass... when 
> it is sharp it is in focus....
> Set Lens aperture to the value you want... say, F11  ( you will need 
> to move camera away from your face to perform this action....) Re 
> establish composition Push shutter button....
> Done.
> 
> Sounds long and involved, but it works.... and your focusing accuracy 
> will be incredible...  Did this in Canada with great results.... ( 
> When my M9 died, suddenly... and the Fuji XE-1 was my backup camera)
> 
> It is not for action pictures,,, the procedure is long, requires a lot 
> of moving the camera away from your face, and is otherwise 
> sub-optimal.... But it works brilliantly for fixed subjects,,,,)
> 
> Use your Native lenses when you do not want the ultimate in
resolution.....
> or want/need AF/fast working.... 
> 
> Trying to focus at F32 and with focus peaking is, for me, a terrible 
> solution.....
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Frank Filippone
> 
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bernard Quinn
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: [Leica] Leica lenses on Fuji X Pro 1 Vs Sony A7
> 
> 
> Upgraded the software on my Fuji X Pro 1, got a Fuji brand M adapter 
> and had a go at it. I can focus it, but even with the MF focus peaking 
> turned on and with using the enlarged focus are feature focusing was not
that easy for me.
> Best I can describe it is that you turn the focus ring until the image 
> in the viewfinder is as pixelated as possible.
> 
> I also have a Sony A7 and the kit zoom lens which comes with. When you 
> are using the A7 with an  mount lens is it any easier to focus than the X
Pro 1?
> 
> Any hints or suggestions to make manual focusing on the X Pro 1 more 
> agreeable. Yeah, I thought of that. I am retired and an M10 will get 
> me divorced and dead, and probably not it that order.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barney
> 
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Replies: Reply from imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry) ([Leica] Leica lenses on Fuji X Pro 1 Vs Sony A7)
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