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Subject: [Leica] Xtol recomended dilutions
From: lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (lluisripollphotography)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:40:21 +0200
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Mark,

Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You mention 
Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while and just 
the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with this one was 
very fine.

Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to 
follow. 

Thank you
Lluis



> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va 
> escriure:
> 
> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, 
> nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold 
> for the most money and who dressed better.
> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its 
> way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is 
> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 
> for a while and my prints were obviously worse. 
> 
> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us 
> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d never 
> heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The 
> students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended 
> 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as 
> being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad 
> less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It 
> looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes.
> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing uneven 
> development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a notch. But 
> you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing.
> Neopan Acros 100      Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every 
> minute and the first full minute.
> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 
> seconds and the first full minute.
> Delta 100    14?
> Delta 3200  16?
> Delta 400     14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about shooting 
> for myself. Even with a Noctilux.   12 minutes and looks like an iso 100 
> film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used it for 
> on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the studio 
> strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good.
> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need in 
> Xtol 1:3
> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point 
> and wanting to keep shorter times.
> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank.
> Pan F 50, they still make it.  12?
> Tri X 400  11?
> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15?
> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for 
> different formats why no one knows.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
> 
> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" 
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    Chris, Dan
> 
>    I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. 
> I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76
> 
>    Cheers
>    Lluis
> 
> 
> 
>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at 
>> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure:
>> 
>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as
>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results
>> diluted 1+1.
>> 
>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed
>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely
>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns out,
>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film in a
>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml of
>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, you
>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls!
>> 
>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people
>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times for
>> the higher dilutions!
>> 
>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet,
>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated
>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford
>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years ID11/D76.
>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock at
>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in
>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain effect.
>>> 
>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and HP5.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Lluis
>>> 
>>> 
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