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Subject: [Leica] Welcome, M11
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 08:08:51 +0530
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I have foregone the metal shutter altogether with my New Year gift to
myself, the Nikon Z9! Delivered on 24th December on advance order, the
first day of deliveries in India. I used the logic that if I did not like
it, considering the potentially huge waiting lists all over the world (for
a US#5.5k camera body!), I could always sell it on the secondary market for
what I paid for it.

If you order a Nikon Z9 today, you would be lucky to get delivery before
October 2022. The same is true for the Canon R3 - indicative delivery dates
here in June 2022. Sony has quietly dropped half a dozen models from their
current catalogue, including all their APS-C offerings, trying to optimize
parts to make top of the line bodies . All because of a global chip
shortage, and as far as Canon/Nikon are concerned, the first mirrorless
flagship offering for which there is huge pent up demand.

The M11 will be no different, they are not immune to market forces - those
interested might as well jump in early! If there is a shortage, and you do
not like it, you will be able to flip it at a premium, making a real,
inflation adjusted profit on a camera - a very rare occurrence! ?

Cheers
Jayanand

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 1:52 AM Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
wrote:

> Philippe, I primarily use a Sony A1 in the silent shutter mode.  I am well
> familiar with the usefulness of IBIS and a silent shutter.  I find I can
> almost equal the Sony with my M9 using Summilux lenses in terms of
> sharpness.  Shutter noise is higher but in normal environments no one hears
> it but me.  I used the M10R monochrome in the Seattle area this fall and
> the shutter release is especially wonderful: if the M11 is as good then I
> am much poorer as I will be hunting down the APO lenses to go with my new
> M.  For some reason my best people/street images are taken with M's.  Go
> figure.
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 2:17 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Don, try an electronic shutter and feel the difference ; no sound,
> > no vibration ? we?re here, all,  in the past :-)
> >
> >
> > Amities
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> >
> > > Le 8 janv. 2022 ? 21:03, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a
> ?crit
> > :
> > >
> > > I will just add that most of the current M lineup will not deliver the
> > full
> > > capabilities of the new sensor.  On a conference call with the chief
> lens
> > > designer he admitted that the current ASPH Summilux line was optimized
> > for
> > > 40mp.  So the APO Summicrons will be very desirable moving forward with
> > the
> > > new cameras coming.  As to IBIS, if Leica gets the high ISO performance
> > up
> > > to par then with the lenses you use on an M you will not especially
> need
> > > it.  The M platform usually lets you shoot much slower shutter speeds
> > than
> > > other cameras.  I always thought it was the viewfinder let you hold the
> > > camera steadier as your eye could hold a point in the viewfinder
> steady.
> > > We will see.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:54 PM Frank Filippone via LUG <
> > lug at leica-users.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> In 5 days, on January 13, the M11 will be formally introduced.
> > >>
> > >> In its most basic analysis, an M10 with a 60MP Sensor.
> > >>
> > >> It has a 60MP sensor. The external Visoflex it uses to allow for EVF
> > type
> > >> viewing will be new. No IBIS.
> > >>
> > >> Trap door on the bottom to access SD Card and Battery. ( No more
> > removable
> > >> bottom!)
> > >>
> > >> Expected price is LESS than the M10 currently in the lineup.
> > >> ( Probably the same sensor as the Sony A7riv, which sells for
> > $3000-3500,
> > >> with IBIS)
> > >>
> > >> I am//awaiting the M12, presumably WITH IBIS.
> > >>
> > >> Once you use IBIS, you won't go back.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Frank Filipp
> > >> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Don
> > > don.dory at gmail.com
> > >
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>
>
> --
> Don
> don.dory at gmail.com
>
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Replies: Reply from imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry) ([Leica] Welcome, M11)
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