Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine

[Teresa299@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/30/02 4:59:19 PM, gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca writes:

<< I agree!

Pascal wrote:

>On 30-09-2002 17:32 Neal Friedenthal wrote:
>
>>I usually avoid jumping in on these "controversial" threads, but I have to 
do
>>so here. While I have no problems with the image itself, it is quite nice 
and
>>very 
>>tastefully done, everyone seems to have missed one important issue, 
Clementine
>>is only 17 years old. At 17 she is below the age of concent.  Her parent or
>>guardian would have to give permission for the picture to be posted or for
>>that matter taken. The photographer has left himself open for possible civil
>>or even 
>>criminal action should the girl or her parents object to the photo. To
>>photograph a minor, nude, without parental permission and supervision leaves
>>the 
>>photographer open to a charge of statutory rape even if, as I'm sure is the
>>case here, nothing more happened than the photo session.  To take the photo
>>even 
>>with parental concent would in my opinion be ill advised, to post it without
>>permission is downright stupid.  Believe me I am no prude, but I am a 
realist
>>you have 
>>to cover your butt in this world.
>>
>
>I think that those who had a concern over this should have better contacted
>Gerry directly via private email instead of stirring up yet another debate
>in the LUG.
>
>Pascal
>NO ARCHIVE
> >>


I understand that the LUG has been irrationally contentious of late, but I 
certainly hope that in the spirit of civility the LUG doesn't become a hollow 
shell of yes-men and a few women.

I raised the issue of consent not as a form of bashing Gerry on the head but 
simply expressing that in my mind it's a common courtesy to ask a nude 
subject's consent before posting his or her photo on the web.   Whilst I 
could have emailed Gerry directly, why would I?  Neither my point nor my post 
was intended or contructed to embarass the man, rather it's an issue of 
potential discussion.

If simple discussion of issues on the LUG has automatically become equated 
with controversy I'm hard pressed to see which is worse, unending bickering 
or the silent death that befalls a community of folks afraid to speak.


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